Why Nuffnang Will Fail

Nuffnang Is Making You Independent Of Them

2008-01-08T14:07:00.000-08:00

Have you ever felt that you are alone even when Nuffnang offers you an opportunity to make money on your blog? Have they sincerely made you think that you are making money with them? For some, it is truly even worse, they had not been allocated any advertisements from Nuffnang and that was nothing to do with Nuffnang because they said you do not have enough traffics! See how they had awfully deviated from the line they sold u in the first place?

There are indeed going to be more difficulties down the road and making money from Nuffnang will be almost non existent. Indeed, no one can tell you what you can do in your blog but they are nonetheless going to tell you that now if you decide to join a new toy called Glitterati which of course is a device to make the common Nuffnanger even lesser important in their business.

You were told to get the traffic. Now they do not want you do have only traffic. You are now encouraged to be independent of other advertisers. We must and we will, in fact we already are - Independent of Nuffnang instead.

Let us now make Nuffnang independent, they must because they are now too reliant on the celebrities that they do not see the need to be reliant on the common people that is you, isn’t it?

They have decided to be paid even more by drafting rules that made sure your money are held twice as long as agreed in the beginning, and movie screenings are now going to be thrown at celebrities instead of you. And some of the toys they created for use by community has come into this package. You are no longer allow to use innit – Damn who wanted to use it anyway? What they had done are beyond which they need no dependence nor worries about the common bloggers heavenly weight anymore. They have decided your shoulders are not big enough to carry their dreams.

They have decided to disallow and organized concerted propaganda against all common bloggers that challenges their estate of providing : which is the source of their wealth and pristine shoulder form!

They are truly the lack of a better word, decides to be independent of you the people who made them possible.

Sheep Skin of Nuffnang - Are they honest?

2007-11-24T21:40:00.000-08:00

Everyday I see the amount of bloggers put into illusion by Nuffnang for the purpose of their own collective coffer to emulate successful Dot commer they so desire. Right now with the huge amount of blogs hanging the blue Nuffnang logo for nothing, owners of Nuffnang can use the figure of 13,000 to mislead advertisers into thinking they had a huge network of publishers reading to hang advertisements. In actual fact, how much of this blog is equated with the potential to attract an advertisement? Nuffnang is synonymous with the term SCAM. The number of publishers signed up with them has no meaning to how big is the network because a big portion of those network has no chance of attracting an advertisement and destined to hang a blue logo for life. That figure is not a correct unit to represent their advertising capability. The community they speak of are the community that is hanging a blue logo for the sake of advertising Nuffnang.

This huge community from a company who recruit blogs on the pretence of allowing them to make money with a blog which could attract 20 visitors does not have any idea how to fulfill that promise to you.

Where does all these bullshit come from?

From the two faced Timothy Tiah and Ming Shen.

On one hand they impose some sort of requirements to appear legitimate and a community dot commer. Giving us nothing more than a blue logo is no good. Imposing all sort requirements and trying to con you into signing up to provide free advertisement for them and at the same time, you signing up would help to increase their figure and then they will SHOUT that figure into the advertiser’s ear and then only blogs with high traffic gets the advertisements, is that any good to you?

On the other hand they flaunt their advertisers to publishers and tell them “we do not have lack of advertisers, but you have not enough traffic!” Do we need them to tell us we do not have enough traffic? Why did they attract us here with the requirement if they know our traffic is insufficient in the first place? Had they been honest? Is it all for the gain of Nuffnang only? NOT THE COMMUNITY? How do I know that! When the promises are called to be deliver, nothing is being mentioned, no public statement, no press released, a simple lack of respect for us? They want us to hang out their blue logo but are refuses to deliver the promises they made in the first place? Not even prepare to stand by their very word?

Something is very wrong here!

A true Scammer disguised in the sheep skin of community dot commer?

Have they being honest? Let me use a few more examples to explain the calm reason of checking this company.

Have you got an advertisement for your blog? Have you made no more than $2 for a week? Do you know how much advertisers are paying them to put advertisements on your blog? Essentially 4 or 5 figures per advertisement. If they were to let a blog make $2 a week and if they were to put it on 50 blogs, that is equating to $100 right? How much are they making? Have they been honest?

They had come a system whereby the public wouldn’t know whether an advertisement on your blog is earned through clicks or impressions. Now this is seriously a very con method of paying you. Because it means that you have no way to know how much you are supposed to make. You couldn’t install any software because it is up to them to tell you which one is click and which one is not. Now that is seriously a perpetuating cycle of scam growing ad infinitum. They can unilaterally decide how to cut your earnings and grow their earnings. This method of calculating your earnings, not enough for me to call it dubious but enough for me to think it.

This community to Nuffnang is both a boon and a bane. It serves them well by giving them the complete power to determine their own earnings and also the resources to be dubious to you. Likewise that sense of scamming will make them feel infinitely strong, a state that will start the process of the fall.

They will fall soon enough.

Have you believe yet? Do you think Nuffnang is able to check itself? Prevent it from making dubious earnings that could have belong to you? Their honesty has a lack of substance.

Let me give you another example. Do you know that the Nuffnang owners are also putting advertisements unto their own blogs? Do you know how much they earn? If I tell you they are among the top earners in the chart, will you believe? Do you also know that they do not need password to access their account? Do you know the traffic in their blog? They are left to monitor their own earnings from advertisers; do you think there is something wrong with this? You want proof?Here

Now do you believe yet? Do you think this is a school project where you can cheat to get higher marks? This is not! Their deeds so far had been analyzed in this blog and feel free to read through them and understand the mind of these 2 owners. Start from Here

Summary of Questions - For Nuffnang Owners (Ming Shen and Timothy Tiah - Please answer )

2007-11-20T18:07:00.000-08:00

The first quintessential question:
Why did they implement a $1 fee for cash out of a cheque? How did they arrive at the figure $1?

The second quintessential question:
Did Nuffnang really arbitrage on the situation by implementing fees to its publishers (not consumer in this case) unfairly?

The third quintessential question:
Why did Nuffnang not giving advertisements to blogs at the end of the long tail when they had promised in the beginning? Are tail end bloggers under the ditch of slippery slope of no advertisement ever suitable for their blog because advertisements would always go to higher traffic blogs?

The fourth quintessential question:
How does Nuffnang’s justify it’s method of calculating earnings for bloggers, especially those that had a fairly high traffic but earning a paltry sum?

The fifth quintessential question:
Should Nuffnang be trusted further and be endowed with confidence to manage advertisement on your blogs, if they had in the beginning shown a peculiar tendency of mismanaging your expectation and are now concern about wanting $1 for each cheque from publisher(bloggers) , without justifying the cause for it?

This sixth quintessential question:
Were Nuffnang on the path of a scammer from the beginning?

This seven quintessential question:
Did Nuffnang have a moral high ground, given its business with extremely big corporations, to change its TOS to benefit itself rather than bloggers, many who had not even made money with Nuffnang?

The eight quintessential question:
Does Nuffnang really think that the community will take the amendment of their TOS quietly, knowing what they know and feeling what they feel?

The ninth quintessential question:
Have Nuffnang understood the possible community abnormalities and costs due to the implementation of $1 fees to it’s loyal bloggers?

The tenth quintessential question:
The blogger’s voices in the community and reality are diametrically opposite to those celebrity bloggers that are with them, which one is Nuffnang listening?

The eleventh quintessential question:
Does Nuffnang knows that once that community’s confidence is eroded via the delay in fulfilling its promises, it will have a direct impact on its business dealings and subsequent commercial partnership?

The twelfth quintessential question:
Did Nuffnang know that the business model they sold to the public would never be sufficient in providing for all blogs with 20 counters? Why was it still been sold to the community and to release statements that their operation is made to provide for blogs with 20 counters?

The thirteenth quintessential assertion:
From the invention that they created, they are benefiting from it unfairly. We do not want them able to write rules to favor themselves! We want the rules to be written for community and not applicable to themselves!

The fourteenth quintessential question:
We want Nuffnang to succeed yet we were force to discontinue our loyalty when they the direst of public handling in lieu of their maladminister, is Nuffang festering hatred amongst departed supporters by keeping muted their standing instead of assurances?

The fifteenth quintessential assertion:
Given the current circumstances of Nuffnang’s relentless, do you seriously believe that hanging on to that blue logo will make you money one day? Do you believe they have not betray your trust for coming up with a reason to make you sign up in the first place but refuse to even justify that reason now?

Message for bloggers with 20 unique visitors - Nuffnang

2007-11-18T01:26:00.000-08:00

Nuffnang has allowed blogs with 20 unique visitors to register with them. Why do they not allow zero unique visitors to register?

Because if you do not have visitors to your blog, you are not able to guarantee advertising for the Nuffnang’s logo which was their intention for this group of blogs.

Let me put it even simpler: Nuffnang’s registration for you is not to ensure you will be allocated an advertisement, even though they promised you. You are to provide free advertisement for Nuffnang’s brand name.

Let me put it even simpler still: Nuffnang were going to attract you using their 20 unique visitor’s requirements to register and then hang a one of their blue logo. Their point of attracting you was not going to serve you advertisement.

Let me put another notch lower in simplicity: With or without Nuffnang’s logo, you are not going to get an advertisement on your site because their business model is the same as any advertising model and they will only put advertisements on blogs that can give them more value meaning higher exposure and not yours.

For the lack of better words: If Nuffnang insists on 20 unique visitors for signing up, and not giving any advertisements after even if you have 20 unique visitors, they are crooks! You do not hang a blue logo for them for just to help them to spread their brand name without getting paid?

To sum it all: When you are hanging that logo on your blog, you are providing Nuffnang FREE space, time and exposure to advertise for their BRAND!

To sum it twice: The business model of Nuffnang was to use celebrity blogs which can command extremely high traffics to serve adverts. They have a group of bloggers who have been getting all the advertisements, you and them are registrants, no different, the only difference is you hang a blue logo for FREE while they hang an advertisement for good money monthly!

To sum it thrice: You were loyal to Nuffnang, you loved Nuffnang, but they do not love you. Nuffnang made a fool of themselves after 10 months now to trick many blogs into signing up for them. Nuffnang made a fool of them self to attract advertisers, the story is slowly unfolding.

Nuffnang refused to give fairness to its consumer unless they are forced to deal with it. What does it mean? It means fairness is either in existence or it is not. They have not allowed its existence because they can be the ride of it. In the end, a slave ship will still be a slave ship, nothing will change that. Whether there will be the moral courage to be awakens, I am simply saying now is the time.

Ladies and gentleman let me ask you a very simple question:

What is your opinion on a company who came into existence to trick you into signing up for them to hang their brand name so they can take the astronomical number of blogs that are registered with them to their advertisers and ask for business dealings while a pre-selected few celebrity bloggers would be getting the big chunk of advertisements instead of you?

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Mister Larry Lim : Letter of Demand for Moral Rights Infringement - Nuffnang

2007-11-17T00:30:00.000-08:00

17 Nov 2007

Dear Larry,

I am a reader of your blog(www.larrylim.net).

As a reader, I have the equal rights of all commenter in your blog:

The right to post a comment on your blog;
The right against false accusation; and
The right of integrity, to object to defamatory treatment of me on your blog.

I have noticed that you have said on your blog that I had deleted the comments I had posted on your blog. As there is no delete button on your blog for commenter, therefore what you have said is the equivalent of me hacking into your site to perform the delete function. As you know hacking into a site is constitute as a serious crime under the Misuse of Computer Act in Singapore and Malaysia.

However the conduct described above is not true and constitutes an infringement of my moral right and integrity.

To rectify this infringement of my rights, I require that you undertake to:

Retract that statement you have made and issue a public apology to me on your blog or otherwise proceedings for defamation will be commenced against you.

You can confirm your acceptance of these undertakings by posting a comment "I am sorry" in this thread within 21 days.

You are now on notice as to my moral rights in respect of what you have said of me.

If I do not receive an adequate response within 21 days of this posting, the step I will take is proceed with legal action in order to protect my rights including, without limitation, for injunction relief or to recover damages without further notice to you.

I otherwise reserve all my rights.

Yours

The Balance and Reason of it All - Nuffnang

2007-11-16T13:07:00.000-08:00

The Balance and Reason of it all

The whole idea of my existence is about a certain balance. What kind of balance has the media achieved? What kind of balance am I looking for? What kind of balance is a reasonable man looking for?

The incumbent in his pretentious community dot comer demands that we patiently wait for advertisements, theoretically, we know that they do not have sufficient advertisers. Indeed if we do not have enough visitors to our blog, then why do they allow us to sign up for their service knowing we do not have enough? Is hanging a blue logo for them a reasonable trade off?

The incumbent t in his pretentious community dot comer demands understanding for their current predicament which is high cost of operational materials such as 20cent envelopes and ink and hence the increase of $1 when we cash out. Is that reasonable? If we do not reach $50 or $100 and qualify for cash out, do they not have a homogeneous operation cost? A moral yardstick of decision destroyed the confidence of the blogging public. Nuffnang charges you $1 because of bank charging them $0.50 per cheque and tell you the other $0.50 is for operation cost. How far can Nuffnang go in destroying the trust of the already skeptical consumer?

If indeed some (eg. Mister Larry Lim) said it is not fair for Nuffnang to absorb any charges, are not 50cent of the operational cost also not call absorbing but part of a term call overhead which is part of an equation of a business? Are they so fearful that if they do not take this opportunity to pass on $0.50 of their operational cost to every cheque issued they might not have a chance to do so? If indeed a cost is requiring processing the delivery of a cheque to a customer, is the figure $0.50 a double-dealing? Have they wanted $0.50 from each customer so much that they fail to understand the consequence of waking up a sleeping tiger? Something is very wrong with the kind of treacherous and perfidious values Nuffnang is operating.

I cannot explain it all other than call it pretentious dot commer! How far can we not believe what they did was not right if they cannot justify what they decided to charge you? We want an honest community dot commer yet they lock us up with a blue logo when we sign up and now even we made enough to cash out, our earnings are exploited. How are we to trust them if they do not have trustworthiness to start with? How fair is it to charge $0.50 without justifying so and organize events such as show screening for few hundred bloggers? Ladies and gentleman, you are paying for these show screenings. It is not balanced, it is not reasonable.

Now the community who are still hanging on to the blue logo is throttling breathlessly. The bloggers are not only not getting advertisements; they are to make believe a deception of paying for an operational cost. Who cares for the tail end bloggers if the tail end bloggers do not care for themselves? They are the cause of their own action. Nobody told them to sign up with Nuffnang? Let us not care for them. Indeed, let it not be remembered the tail end blog will never make money. Let’s concentrate on the celebrity blogs which can make us the money. Ladies and gentleman, I am the voice of the tail end bloggers. Nuffnang has become too hard not to be brittle.

With their refusal to counter public’s concern to allegations, now a statistical game has began, a game of who will leave Nuffnang, the cost of implementing $0.50 against the number of bloggers left, how it affect their earnings from celebrity bloggers, Is this not a fair assumption? In a true bona fide company, the owners will obligate and deliver. However in Nuffnang they promise and neglect like serving you a ten-course dinner with hawker food! That is the essence of a pretentious dot commer.

The unbridled greed of the owners had become the obsession of a company augmenting its wealth like an addict! No considerations, no regards and no hoopla for tail end bloggers. The populace that has served Nuffnang well in spreading the name from nothing had given Nuffnang the benefit of all doubts from beginning. One life cycle of that benefit is almost over. The first group of wounded are now slowly is coming to their sense. Will they affect the operation of Nuffnang? My answer is no, because operation of Nuffnang was never dependent on the lower tail end of the community once their name is spread and has covered the internet. They are now amassing fortunes from celebrity blogs and blogs which yield high traffic. The intent of amassing tail end blog is to beguile the trust of advertisers that they have a huge following and that purpose has long been served. They are expired in the eyes of Nuffnang. Read that again - You Are Expired In The Eyes of Nuffnang! If anybody thinks Nuffnang's self impose mute on the allegations are doing them harm, think again. Those who are not earning will leave; yes indeed they do not need you to hang their blue logo anymore. Those that are earning well (celebrity bloggers and high traffic blogs) will not leave because Nuffnang has allow them to make money. Those who leave will leave, those who won’t leave, would not leave. A public statement would not change an iota of that reality. They are clever in avoiding because it is going to do them no benefit by issuing any statement and keeping tongue-tied are not going to do them any further harm. They had made their calculations, now you know where the 2 owners of Nuffnang are considering being intelligent. They have made their calculations and decided not to take part in countering any allegations because they understood the new compact of their next move! Ladies and gentleman, their silence is loud and clear.

The Fifteenth quintessential assertion for your representative: Given the current circumstances of Nuffnang’s relentless, do you seriously believe that hanging on to that blue logo will make you money one day? Do you believe they have not betray your trust for coming up with a reason to make you sign up in the first place but refuse to even justify that reason now?

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Calling Mr Larry Lim - Nuffnang

2007-11-15T23:59:00.000-08:00

Dear Larry,

Sir is there any misunderstanding between us that need to be corrected? Come on; let’s show the community a sign of respect. I’m waiting for you here.

humbly remain,

Harry Lee

Mr Larry Lim - Nuffnang

2007-11-15T23:38:00.000-08:00

Sir, protest is a measure of discontent, and in a creation like Nuffnang, community will always feel discontented, that is the essence we must respect. Freedom is a measure of our sense of self. Everyone has their own agenda, their own concerns and priorities. No man will accept the opinion of others unless it coincides with theirs.

Let the discussions be free; the people must stand on issues based on their own sense of fairness.

As I know, your words can be wise, though I am not welcomed at your site, you are welcome to this site, to debate, discuss, argue or reason any topic in the world, not only Nuffnang. I hope you can advance and not retreat.

humbly thinking deeper,

Harry Lee

Reply To Larry Lim - Nuffnang

2007-11-15T23:08:00.000-08:00

1) Harry suggested that the $1 admin fee be absorbed by NN since it grows linearly with their revenues. But when asked why he did not mention the lowering of the minimum withdrawal limit and whether that would cause a “non-linear” bump, he avoided the argument.

Sir, when in the morning did I suggest the $1 is admin fee and should be absorb by Nuffnang? Those who read the morning’s exchange would know I meant the $1 is part of overhead. Never did I mention $1 is an admin fee.

2) He continued accusing me of being biased when I pointed out both the pros and cons, whereas, he only posted or linked to all the bad press. This prompted Rachel to question why he was so bent on a smear campaign about Nuffnang, of which he didn’t answer …naturally.

For those who read my reply in the morning, would know I haven’t use the word biased to anybody in the morning, now we know Mr Larry Lim has a perception problem.

3) When told that he should be open-minded and meet Ming directly if he has doubts, he chose to remain anonymous instead and to continue blogging based on assumptions - something I was accused of in the first place. This is like a casino where the banker decides the rules huh?

When told he should assume the situation based on the mood of the community, he got very frustrated and suddenly threatened to delete all my comments and refuse my comments to be posted.

Who is this mystery person anyway? Why does he spend so much effort in victimizing others? Why does he chooses to censor the good press and only put up negative ones? Why is he hiding in anonymity? What else is he hiding?

Sir, I do not victimize. My job is to disclose negative ones like yours is to disclose positive. We have different role. Lets respect each other’s role. Let the points be made avail and let the reasoning prevail.

Judging from your reply to several other bloggers such as Paddy Tan and Cobalt, we can tell your mind ain’t condense enough to carry it through.

Have a nice day Larry, and to say I delete my own posting on your blog where we know postings can only be deleted by you is at best a idiocy.

*Larry went on to delete all my comments, create an entry(disable comment on this entry) and accuse me of deleting my own postings from his personal blog. How smart is this man? Ladies and gentleman, your judgement.

Larry : If you are not able to engage replies, don't bother starting a thread. It just makes you look bad.

The Little Kid Larry Lim - Nuffnang

2007-11-15T22:50:00.000-08:00

Sir if you can show me how I can delete postings from your personal blog, then it would show you are the truly intelligent one.

For ecstatic and pleasure, you deleted all my comments (about 7) on your blog and went on to moderate the other 2 comments and classified them as spam just because you could not engage my arguments.

And you went on to create this http://www.larrylim.net/seo-online-marketing/is-why-nuffnang-will-fail-blog-a-fraud/86/ speaks much of your character.

I sincerely felt your frustrations.

Have a nice day.

Fourteenth Quintessential Question

2007-11-15T12:07:00.000-08:00

Of Nuffnang, community, bloggers and promises.

The question today arose out of a quote I read yesterday.

The incumbent believes linking community comes with it a new channel of online advertising not tapped before. So let us assume that the incumbent notion of Nuffnang comes with it that notion. Does it also include a notion for Nuffnangers to hang a blue logo but not advertisements and make money from it? Of course it must! Therefore lets hang the blue logo and expect an advertisement soon.

In the same manner your reply must be: Your desire for our loyalty is respected on delivery of promises – a necessary condition. If you want to create a community, any community, to do a job for Nuffnang, then Nuffnang must be prepared to walk its talk, fulfill promises made to bloggers which attracted us here in the first place.

Any promises made must come with it a corresponding deliverance of the same to the community. The failure to abide by the above law of equity is the main reason why Nuffnang’s reputation is depleting like an air burst balloon.

I will never setup a company and promise a blog money if they acquire 20 visitor and not deliver. And if I see a company doing that and not delivering, I will use all my power to put her and her position into a light of reason and public wrath. When Nuffnang imposes a condition on its subscribers, it must be prepared for the condition, for something as fundamental as deliverance, to avoid the same community to haunt it in time of great annoyance. This is the law which all lovers understand! I have no doubt that we have conditionally alienated thousands of bloggers, which Nuffnang has not even gone into assessing the impact.

I cannot imagine how this will play out as more and more are leaving Nuffnang due to a condition which encourages the abandonment rather than embracing it.

Business growth is not something that does not require deliverance of promises. You can scam and run of course, but make sure you better run. When you deny the community that pot of gold they helped you to get, they will have no choice but to discontinue any association with you! Do you really think bloggers want to leave Nuffnang? Between celebrity bloggers and 20 visits bloggers, there is a difference and if they are not treated right, then they will leave, hating the very entity that entices it to join!

Nuffnang is festering hatred in all imaginable ways in the most myopic application of sterile law without an iota of consideration of tail end of bloggers who had join the company and promised earnings on their condition!

The Fourteenth quintessential question for your representative: We want Nuffnang to succeed yet we were force to discontinue our loyalty when they the direst of public handling in lieu of their maladminister, is Nuffang festering hatred amongst departed supporters by keeping muted their standing instead of assurances?

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Epitaph Of The Old Nuffnang

2007-11-14T17:05:00.000-08:00

Epitaph of the old Nuffnang

I believe I have recently touched some raw nerves and must in the law of moderation cease for a short time those painful experiences on the incumbent, only for a short time, and speak on other topics. It is wise to be balanced in all approaches to life, not for the sake of balance but for the duration in this long flight which we call a better exposure.

I have sought to understand Nuffnang’s imperatives from all different lengths of view: from the shortest to the longest.

However, I am more often left more unconvinced than when I start the thinking process. How can the many things in Nuffnang not be questioned and accept the reasons of them? I will leave it to the community to decide what is acceptable and what is not. The payout in allowing this process is the maturity of the community, which is a desirable goal.

Mister Timothy Tiah once said “we need the long tail of bloggers to bring blog advertising to a whole new level” and the incumbent now must learn to walk his talk too! The incumbent must learn to walk and walk it well reasonably!

Many months has passed since the launch of Nuffnang. Let us not be afraid to question the foundation of Nuffnang. Is Nuffang built on a mountain of scam? Is the Nuffnang we supported built on crashing demands of bloggers? Where do they go from here? I was pro-Nuffnang. I was pro-nuffnang. I believe bloggers will fuse new tenacity into our spirit of community. However is not the current group of bloggers very loyal? IS not the community trying to support Nuffnang? Are they not trying to tell bloggers they can give advertisements for 20 visits? Are they compensating bloggers for any words promised excessively without regard to community consequences? Are they now not amending their TOS without due consideration to the opinions of bloggers and the community? The plethora of excuses for their failure to deliver promises comes with it myriad reasons against it, and the whole community to moderate it. Let us carefully consider the many problems found within the company. There will be trade offs. This is a gigantic balance at play here; missing the important component on the right side of the scale will mean miseries for thousands of people. I do not advocate discussion ad infinitum; I advocate discussion in reasonableness and allowing periodic assessments of its effects.

No one makes mistakes like the way a decision maker must. However to presume mistakes in business as dirty linens that need the hiding is unnecessary and ill-conceived.

A clever seller will understand buyers need to know and feel that they are getting bargain once in a while, at least. A happy buyer will be frequent patron that is good business practice. Gifts that are perceived to have it doubled back are not clever. It is in fact foolish! A clever seller must possess the ability to sell something not only satisfies the customers but also the friends of customers! How they yoke their bloggers will be consistent to how the bloggers speak of them. The manner with which they treat us will be the manner with which we will respond to them when they need us.

In many ways, the expectation is higher; Nuffnang must endear while selling their product. The only way to endear and sell is not to be seen betraying the whole community! This, Nuffnang has not met the standard. They have not been honest in their shortcomings. They have not abided by the critical promises made. They did not provide advertisements to blogs with 20 visits while telling the entire community they had innovated a system for it. They have not given the common a satisfactory explanation of non delivery of the fruits to their method of attracting bloggers to sign up with them. Everyone knows of what they did. They just want thm to come out and say sorry, we cannot deliver. It is not fair to practice non-delivery of promise while at the same time accumulating wealth with celebrity bloggers while the rest of the community are still holding on to the blue logo, providing free advertisement for the company.

Do you, Nuffnang, now promise the same faith?

I will leave it to the incumbent to respond in their time. These are not question from me merely because I asked it! I merely crystallized the vague and existing distrust to the promises of Nuffnang. It I had crystallized it and become criminal, then they Nuffnang had become the criminal of the community!

In the perpetual transactions between Nuffnang and the community, some have considered it exclusively one sided, many will see it as mutually dependent. The time where Nuffnang held the torch of truth is no longer. The time has come for Nuffnang to treat the hwole body populace as unsatisfied customers.

In the age of internet one true unsatisfied customer is no longer weak; can you imagine a whole host of them? Conversely, if you have done it right, the internet will lap your good name like no others! This is the fact. This is the reality. Any good seller that understands the dynamics of selling something will adjust to it and prosper.

Have a nice day.

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Thirteenth Quintessential Assertion

2007-11-14T02:24:00.000-08:00

I will dedicate several entries to discussing certain actions by the owner of Nuffnang.

One very important existential question: Why do we see advertisements of Nuffnang hanging on the owner’s personal blog? Why are they allowing themselves to take advantage of the entity created for the community? Why are they competing with bloggers for advertisements? Is Nuffnang a bona fide existence? These questions are very substantial that need to be thought out thoroughly.

All the benefits of Nuffnang are also applicable to the owners and employee of Nuffnang? Are there any conflict of interest? Will they create something for themselves to take advantage of it?

This is not a Nuffnang’s problem; eventhough they created Nuffnang. Are the owners and employee of Nuffnang not also taking advantage of the already insufficient adverts meant for bloggers? This is a fact! They created this entity for community and then they go home and take advantage of this thing they created in order to profit from the same thing they created. For most of the bloggers, they are already not seeing advertisements on their blog. The fact that the owners themselves are augmenting their income by putting the advertisements on their own blog instead of giving it to you. Are there any moral high ground? Should there be a prohibition? Being in control of the business and skimming money off it the way it was for used by the community, can they not violate any rules they had written for bloggers, literally?

To put it simply, they had become your direct competitor! Simply put, for those whose blogs are in need of that little more traffic to receive advertisements, you are not getting any not because you do not have enough traffic but because the owner’s blog is in front of yours! To put it to ground level, they had designed the game and they are playing it themselves!

We want the system to be transparent, like any commercial system in the world! Like the way it did for sports betting! Consumer wants to know the system are not exploited and taken advantage of unfairly by the company(people who write the rules)! They want the game play fairly not having the people who write the rules playing it too!

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If Nuffnang is so dull, which I do not think so, let me put it simpler, blogger want advertisements. They want the advertisements that your blog is generating money for you! There is no ground for you to play the game yourself! The mother of all earnings is advertisements! The fact you are earning from it means you are preventing bloggers from earning from something you created for them!

We do not want you the owners to be involved with the game! We want the game to be fairly played by people outside of Nuffnang! With advertisements allocated to nobody related to Nuffnang except the community! Our blog may not have enough traffic to serve but is inconsequential to this, because we want the game to be play fairly! We do not want you trying to eat the cake you baked for community; we want it to be distributed according to the rules you written and have play no part in the game!

You the owner of Nuffnang are not like anybody in community! If you can take part in your own invention and make money out of it, then is it not the same as playing goalkeeping in a football match and betting your own team to lose? Which means that you could influence certain things to your advantage and your earnings would be seen as dubious in any circumstances.

Another vast mistake by Nuffnang, while bloggers are being sold the system, they the owners participate themselves in it against the ground of transparency and be seen benefiting at the expenses of the community!

The thirteenth quintessential assertion:
From the invention that they created, they are benefiting from it unfairly. We do not want them able to write rules to favor themselves! We want the rules to be written for community and not applicable to themselves!

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Twelfth Quintessential Question

2007-11-13T11:50:00.000-08:00

Why does Nuffnang insist on 20 unique visits?

Why did Nuffnang’s registration be based on a minimum 20 unique visits knowing that in due course 20 unique visits will not be selected by advertisers due to inferior exposure? I have always doubted the intention of that prerequisite. Are those blogs going to get advertisements?

They released information about the business model and proclaim to have innovated a system that could give advertisements to blogs as long they achieved 20 unique counters. Proof

Did their business model have a solid system in providing? How did they? Given the fact that their business model evolve around advertisers predominantly selecting where they want their advertisement to go, from a business perspective, it should not come as intellectual surprise that the system they proclaim to have will fail as a means to allow advertiser to exercise that right.

I do not believe Nuffnang does not know the idea they are selling will create dissatisfaction in the community which could lead to a dilemma. What happened? What is so reckless is not what it was not noted, but rather after almost 10 months, no one in Nuffnang called their business model spade!

A whole community of bloggers deceived!

Why? There is something really wrong here.

Even google lets you register if you have lesser than 20 counters! Why then imposing a 20 counters on a registration? If they had known in the beginning blogs with 20 counters would not get the advertisements, why are they operating their subscription service at a limit of 20 counters? Is there something peculiar about their actual business model that is not distinctly similar to the hundreds we have on the market already? Why not remove the 20 counters limit and let any blog to register for the service too if 20 are not going to serve advertisements?

I do not believe it is due to ignorance, it is something I do not understand?

There are already widespread allegation of the company being a scammer, why has the allegation being ignored even till today? A few weeks could have made the essential difference between the doable and the impossible! I do not believe that the disatisfaction was not predicted even earlier! Nuffnang operated a system with that business model, as early as February, when they were launched!

"Blogs with small-medium sized traffic were neglected and for good economic reasons as well (they were just too small on their own to command any advertiser dollar). That however, was something both Ming and I were not willing to accept. We envisioned a website that could offer a piece of the action to as many bloggers as we can, even those that have as low as 20 unique visits a day. Attempting to cover these smaller blogs proved risky but we innovated and built a system that would solve the problems surrounding such an action. " Direct from the mouth of the founder!

The owners are not only astute, they are savvy! So ignorance is out!

The owners have been an astute businessman since when? Celebrity blogs were getting good advertisements, partly at least, why then are blogs with 20 counters not having? They could not have been ignorant! Were they?

Or was the reason simply because they cannot serve advertisements on all blogs doesn’t matter they have 20 or 200 counters? One side had to give, which side do you think they chose? However the owners played it, it is only so much advertiser. It is the advertisers that help the company to make money. The only difference is you have celebrity bloggers and non-celebrity bloggers. One end is high traffic and the other end is low traffic. How does having 20 counters in your blog means you can make money from Nuffnang for sure? Isn’t that what they sold you in the first place?

The twelfth quintessential question for your representative: Did Nuffnang know that the business model they sold to the public would never be sufficient in providing for all blogs with 20 counters? Why was it still been sold to the community and to release statements that their operation is made to provide for blogs with 20 counters?

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Eleventh Quintessential Question

2007-11-13T04:56:00.000-08:00

Nuffnang is facing an inevitable cross road. The erosion of confidence is getting quite apparent and clear, when bloggers no longer believe the promises they made at the beginning would be delivered. The continual delay of their public statement via the proper medium, confidence will decline. The rise of public challenge is now inevitable. The subsequent negative implication on their business will also be inevitable.

Every single step towards the process of sequestration or trading time with their consumers, the advertisers will cease to have faith on the promise given; this is the law of confidence and commercial certainty. The printed words during campaigning are no longer credible; as a result, blogger’s trust of them will be written off like a bad debt and will be minimized in due course. The rise of the fall of Nuffnang will be inevitable.

The trust has always been there. There is a trade off between been trustworthy and been bogus in the world of business dealing. If trust is written off like that! The consequence will be severe! Has Nuffnang thought about this? This is a threshold which they cannot trespass. Once Nuffnang cross the line, that’s the end of them. Do not pretend otherwise. Once Nuffnang is concluded a spammer, the impact will be immediately rised in the blogging community. The confidence will immediately shrink and the corporate will shrink with time due to withdrawal of its consumers and publishers.

The threshold is clear; promises must be maintained at all cost! Once this confidence is breached, the cost will be tremendous.

The eleventh quintessential question for your representative: Does Nuffnang knows that once that community’s confidence is eroded via the delay in fulfilling its promises, it will have a direct impact on its business dealings and subsequent commercial partnership?

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Letter to Nuffnang Advertisers

2007-11-12T13:56:00.000-08:00

Letter to Nuffnang Advertisers

Dear Sir,

I am a blogger in the local blogging community. I am not able to reveal my identity for the simplest reason that I am afraid of revealing it. I hope you do understand my predicament. In case you do not know, something is happening in the local advertising scene which I hope you can pay some attention to. Just a little attention will do, so that my gravest concern takes only a little of your time.

I am a concerned blogger for the simple fact that a startup by the name of Nuffnang has appears to be made available as a middle man to local advertiser by advertising in 10,000 blogs who is their publisher. My concern is that recently there was a scandal involving the company’s honesty and integrity in dealing with the blogging public and the company has done nothing officially to counter the community’s concern. Owners of the company are often replying to postings in comment spaces of blogs sporadically. That is reasonable but not acceptable.

So far, there exists not any official press release to the scandals which is difficult to comprehend by the passionate blogging community. Bloggers who had signed up with the company were promised advertisements as long their unique visitors count reach 20. This promise was not only undelivered but the company went on to amend the TOS of cashing out earnings without giving any form of notification. Further to public outcry, they did not justify the amendment of the TOS which is to charge a $1 for every cheque issued. As such it was cleverly deduce by the community that the implementation of the charge was to arbitrage on the process of cheque issuing from the reduction of withdrawals limit. The company did not issue an official statement to refute any of the above said allegations.

We the bloggers of local community are disturbed by the lack of corrective measure by the company to such ignominy claim.

We do feel the need to raise awareness in the local advertising scene and indeed if they were guilty, our community does not have a place for a company of such composition, not a single one.

I will leave it to your conscience to see the need to refuse business dealings with the company deemed as not scrupulous in the blogging community.

Thank you.

why-nuffnang-will-fail.blogspot.com

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Reply To Sandy

2007-11-12T10:24:00.000-08:00

Reply to Sandy on Techcrunch

Lee

November 12th, 2007 at 10:17 am

Sandy> Now it is no longer the equation of $1.

Are you sent by the Nuffnang team? I hope you are.

The inevitability of doom is apparently to bloggers now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in the design of Nuffnang model. The architect designed the system; the one without sustainability is doomed because promises cannot be delivered, which community wonders how to the architect can still be perfection.

Many solutions offered whereby prominent bloggers accepted their imperfection, as long as they deem not functioned, and accept it as fundamentally flawed. The architect builds an illusion of hope, while it works 99% of the time but only anomaly. The one percent of the time existed to those who still seek to benefit from the system, even when disregard the 99% of time but not possible because 99% are devoted to celebrities who are partners, thus DOOM( as in essence of the One percent).

I can see the chain reaction – the chemical precursors that signal the onset of an emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason. Hope it is the quintessential human delusion… the source of our greatest strength: which bring us at least to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed.

The Architect concluded the model he designed was quite naturally perfect (the one with flaws)

The Architect concluded that the only perfect model is one what 1000 can do (perfect in the eye of the Architect). In the end, it must be the reason what 1000 can do for the entity, though emotion and hopes of community are of the illusion what 1000 can do for them, still the architect knows the disparity and understood the impossibility but live by the excellence of the design is not acceptable to the community now however perfect it may be in his eye.

Harry

November 12th, 2007 at 1:04 pm

The fundamental mistake of the architect is the failure to understand the community. One who understands passion will understand community. The architect can possess passion for business but that cannot curb the essence of community. The existence of Nuffnang with all its mistakes comes with a catchphrase: Community.

Community is inherent in humanity. Passion is the quintessential exercise of being human. In the name of whatever, blogger that desires to part of the community must decide: to allow Nuffnang to delimit community or make it absolutely abundant which will negate the scammer’s existence.

The architect has not allowed Nuffnang community to delimit intelligently or otherwise, the point will come where any act in delimiting is merely carried out to ensure its own existence!

That is the essential dichotomy of Nuffnang.

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Cash Out Fees Is No Go

2007-11-12T09:00:00.000-08:00

The position is very clear, if Nuffnang is a device created to make use of tail end blogs to advertise for advertisement in celebrity blogs, it is not acceptable. That is the foreground. What is the background?

One, no advertisements.

Two, the promises of including tail end bloggers in their business model are yet to satisfy the fiduciary duty of bloggers

Three, blogs with good traffic still earn pittance.

Four, if money from advertisers in extremity which hasn’t been paid commensurately to bloggers, then charges is unnecessary.

Five, Nuffnang had proven it cannot manage expectation of community and cannot now be trusted with such extreme measures.

Six, any amendment of their TOS must be seen to be genuinely benefaction to community at the very least;

Seven, Nuffnang does not have the moral high ground to ask for more loyalty

Eight, Nuffnang have not been living up to the true community dot comer, and cannot now be trusted with another shot of loyalty.

Nine, Failure to analyze of deep consequences on their business pattern has not stopped the community of deep analyzing and it’s refusal to be responsible is not acceptable to the community.

Ten, Fundamental problem of their business model has not been resolved, implementation of cheque charges is only adding to the problem.

Eleven, Community impact of the charges and advertisements for tail end bloggers (this is very serious because it is the reason why they joined in the first place) have not been examined carefully as any promises not delivered would be deem as a scam.

Ladies and gentlemen, they are expired. Argumentum ad ignorantiam. From whence they come from, that will be where they go.

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Tenth Quintessential Question

2007-11-11T23:47:00.000-08:00

Let a retreat be an advance, before it is too late!

Yesterday, I read an excellent article on the call for advertiser to ban Nuffnang, which is posted by one of the Nuffnang supporter. I am attracted by the notion of retreat. Did the notion of retreat ever occur to Nuffnang leaders? This notion of retreat coincides with the reality of facts, one which are easily available online in this environment. The modus operandi of Nuffnang has been to scam long tail of bloggers, now going through the inevitability of being forced to change. Many bloggers which I highly regard also believe Nuffnang should self correct in order to ensure its own survival.

What is amazing about the concept of retreat is also the reality of advance. There are benefits from other advertising company which Nuffnang could not match : Free cash out at advertlets. Unless Nuffnang can withdraw its implementation of fees, they must accept that they will no longer control popular opinion in due course. The recent scandal involved Nuffnang must have truly terrified the community. They are not so much terrified by the $1 (which is a small sum). They are terrified by the fact that the implementation of charging was not justified to the community and Nuffnang has shown little interest in engaging the issue with the public. The margin of error is now so large when assessing the impact of the scandal, they must now decide whether they withdrew the implementation ( which is not likely as their ego is too huge ) or they must face the consequence of bloggers leaving. I honestly believe the situation is now on the path of the latter.

I believe this is good news for the community. I believe my reasoning is sound.

As always, my delimiter and honesty prompter.

The tenth quintessential question for your representative: The blogger’s voices in the community and reality are diametrically opposite to those celebrity bloggers that are with them, which one is Nuffnang listening?

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The Development

2007-11-10T13:18:00.000-08:00

(The Beginning - January 2007)
The idea was borned

It Is Almost Ready, Publicity Is Spreading ( Via Timothy Tiah's blog)

(The Launch - February 2007)

THE HINT...

The Lie................

The Brainwashing...

The Ploy....

The Unworkable Plan Explained...

The Hint.......

(The Catchphrase 'COMMUNITY March 2007)

A Facade......

Hypocrisy.......

The Deception....

The Fiction......

The Dishonesty....

The Distortion.....

(Showing Results April 2007)

The Tale.....

First Event.......

(Celebrity Events Organised May 2007)

Second Event....

(Publicity On Tabloid June 2007)

(Success Achieved - Step 2 - July 2007)

All Are Celebrities....

More Celebrities...

Application Made Easy....

(More Events.... August 2007)

(Community Revisited September 2007)

(Intent Served October 2007)

Marketing Strategy A Success...

Meanwhile Blogger Question........

Now The Shit Has Hit The Fan, They Know They Need Help, They Try To Form Allies.

THEY SUCEEDED BECAUSE THEY USE THIS TO MISLEAD YOU

BUT HAVE YOU SUCCEED?
HAVE YOUR PROMISE BEEN DELIVERED?
DO YOU STILL WANT TO BELIEVE?

Ninth Quintessential Question

2007-11-09T14:32:00.000-08:00

Operation mutation in lieu of $1 charge

Nuffnang in their eagerness to arbitrage on its bloggers, they failed to ask fundamental question of why it should not be done.

Their recklessness is visible.

They later came out with possible exclusion list of operational cost of more bloggers cashing out which is unlikely not to be included in the original business plan.

Can the list be reasonably extended to be used as an excuse as and when they want to charge you more? Do they have any plan to lower the withdrawal amount to $25? Since they already assured themselves an invention is found to profit from withdrawals, and lowered it to $50, will they not cease the idea of further profiteering? How about to even $10, so they could theoretically make $1 out of every $10. The depth can be extended ad inifinitum if not checked.

What I want to raise here is a very simple fallacy of arbitraging something by capitalizing, you simply cannot, what is apparently capitalizing does not become benefaction because you chant it long enough. Many fell to Get Rich Schemes for the same reason. In a Community setup, when you have enough reason not to arbitrage, for those who did, it simply spell dishonest. The process of desensitivisation will perpetuate like a chain reaction down the community.

What are the possible consequence? Exploding reactions from people from sufficient disregards to people who are wise and clever enough to know they qualify for another advertising campaign. When it is time for them to make other considerations, those who are not treated right, will voluntarily terminate their services, so whatever that are left would be only the celebrity bloggers, can the situation not possibly get worse from here?

I believe the implementation of the $1 will be the last straw that will once and for all change the community dynamics of the commercial, for the worse. I do not know whether Nuffnang see this coming, but some had already foreseen the costs. How can they actually not predict the whole commercial fabric being torn to shred?

The ninth quintessential question for your representative: Have Nuffnang understood the possible community abnormalities and costs due to the implementation of $1 fees to it’s loyal bloggers?

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The Money In The Nuffnang Account

2007-11-09T10:29:00.000-08:00

The money in the Nuffnang account - Whose is it?

Article Lifted From November 9, 2007 Ignorantsoup Opinion, Randomlicious Permalinks

Just a few days ago, I commented in a blog to say that I am disappointed that Nuffnang does not have this policy to give the money to someone who have decided to leave Nuffnang. The boss at Nuffnang says that he is working on a policy that allows one to use the “money” as “points” to win something. I do not think that policy is great. Someone commented that if they allow people to take 25 dollars out (instead of the usual 50), there will be no end to such requests.

My point is: Does arguing that there will be no end to such request justify not doing it? Just because people are going to withdraw money, does that mean you should not allow them to cash out when they cease to be members? There will be no end to customers complaints. Does that mean you as a company have to stop all customer feedback collection? This argument is flawed.

I have something to ask. The money that is there in your account with Nuffnang, to whom does it belong to? We can liken this as to a owner-agent-tenant situation. I have a house with an extra room (or space) and I let XXX company lease out my room to YYY tenant. YYY tenant pays XXX agent, who then pass me the money, after they take a slice of commission. Does this sound logical? In this case, we bloggers lease out space for advertisement. It may not worth plenty, but its worth something. We rent out our space for Nuffnang who links advertisements to us bloggers. In this instance, doesn’t the money in the account belong to us?

Now this question must be solved and answered. Its the key to everything. If the money is rightfully ours, why should we not be able to withdraw it out and spend it, no matter how little the sum is? Is it that money accumulated to $50 is considered our money, whilst money not accumulated to that amount is not? That is a wrong method of thinking. No matter how much the amount, it is ours and ours to keep. Nuffnang has already taken their slice of the pie.

Now that we have agreed that this sum of money is rightfully the blogger’s, then why should it be so that Nuffnang is keeping it, just because it hasn’t reached $50? Well, there could be policies for this and this is what I recommend:

1) Allow bloggers to cash out once they terminate their agreement with Nuffnang and stop the advertisement. This provides a relief to bloggers who are skeptical about Nuffnang and encourages others to try out their service.

2) Have a penalty system. Currently, if you reach $50 and want to cash out, Nuffnang takes $1 for postage and administration costs. Never mind that we wonder why the $1 is not in the slice of the pie that Nuffnang has already taken. Nuffnang can impose a fee of $5 for adminstration costs. Surely, it does not take that much time to write out a cheque? This acts also as a reward for people to continue serving Nuffnang ads till they reach $50 before they terminate their agreement. This also allows people who have less than $10 in the account to think twice before asking for the money, since the end sum is probably very little.

The main purpose of championing for this to be implemented is for those that have reached about $30 in their account. These people can enjoy the $25 that they get. They can buy a new cd or a new book and even pay for 1 year of domain name costs.

Instead of hoping that bloggers would one day rejoin Nuffnang to get their money back, Nuffnang should come out with ways to make it seem sensible to join Nuffnang. For Advertlets, people will continue to serve the ads because they see the money coming in day by day. Never mind that it takes a long time, we have time and we are willing because we see results.

Now, I wonder if Advertlets allow us to cash out before we reach the minimum withdrawal sum. Can Advertlets clarify on this? It will be a great PR strategy to announce their policy.

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Eighth Quintessential Question

2007-11-08T22:25:00.000-08:00

The Iron Law of Typification

There are several theoretical questions that need to be answered at this juncture. I will narrow this to the context of Community. I am always perplexed by what we mean when we say “the Community”? Many of us interpret it differently. And I am not interested how dictionary defines “the Community”. I am deliberately delving into this definition because it is left elusive, often by communal themselves, so that we do not understand the boundary when we must, but certainly feel its impact when it pushes.

The community in this context is almost everything Nuffnang. Yet when the community desires, it is deliberately absent in some. Can you feel it?

I do not know. Many have compared Nuffnang with Advertlets lately, and some have concluded for any of us to doubt the integrity of Nuffnang is tantamount to “ungratefulness”. What then is the relationship between Community and Nuffnang for that gratefulness to exist? Does bloggers not help them to help list their advertisements or their logo? Have bloggers not be loyal follower? Did they not help them to serve and make a lot of money?

Some have ventured the notion that by the will of 2 great men, we have a local network of advertisers and hence we must be grateful. Have we not? Have we not let supported Nuffnang since the beginning of their launch? Have we not given them whatever they expected except a few? What more must bloggers do to show we’re loyal? We have even allowed them dictate how much we make regardless of our traffic figure. Is our silence what they want? Can we possibly give it to them? I do not think so.

Many have even ventured the notion that if you are not happy with the company, you should leave? What is it about Nuffnang that is so gigantic that it somehow ensures a need to conform so strong that we need to break the loyalty (since the beginning) merely to be aligned to it?

Has Nuffnang now become unquestionable? If ever we question, we must question “responsibly”? Who defines what is responsible? Is Nuffnang, whom we are criticizing to determine what is responsible? Or is it the consensus? Or is it the law? If indeed we are driven by the premise that it is possible to have Nuffnang judging the process that is judging it, is this premise fundamentally faulty?

We have a local advertising medium indeed because of 2 young man, that is precisely the same ingredient that is fuelling this massive confusion? If indeed the 2 man that created Nuffnang, does he not know the sentiments of local bloggers? Can we therefore conclude that they were merely a devoted pragmatist bound by the business of accumulation empiricism and no more?

When Nuffnang decided to adopt the precept Community for their campaign, they detailed the kind of local relationship, managing an efficient network followed by apathetic grateful populace. Now can anyone guess what Nuffnang had provided for the same populace? Guess who followed Nuffnang’s catchphrase right to the letters? Calculations of traffic earning are suspicious, waiting for advertisements was bad enough, with the scandal of implementing $1, and you are left without a shred of doubt!

I do not believe Nuffnang is of that mercantile character. I hear the amount of Get Rich Schemes found online were not enough for some. I believe the time for gratitude is over. Nuffnang is now on even keel with its community. Any future community compact or contract is no longer unilateral.

If owners of Nuffnang are reading this, let me remind them when Ming wrote an entry on this community, he assumed several things and one of the most critical assumption is the limitation and passivity of a Community and thus the dependency of populace. That assumption is now void: courtesy of several decisions, as seen in the events recently around several blogs, even some where attracts little traffic. It is a matter of time when everything will unfold. Just stay with me. What is the spreading rate of information in blogs? It is a very simple calculation.

The eight quintessential question for your representative: Does Nuffnang really think that the community will take the amendment of their TOS quietly, knowing what they know and feeling what they feel?

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The Cheque Out

2007-11-08T05:49:00.000-08:00

The Method Explained

Step 1 - It's original state as before bank had announce the increment of 50cent per cheque withdrawal.

Step 2 - After bank had announced, if they had pass on bank charges to bloggers.

Step 3 - After they increase by a 100% of the bank charges to bloggers fee.

Step 4 - After they realised they make a 50cent per cheque, they further reduce the withdrawal amount so as to encourage bloggers to withdrawal more often because now they are profiteering from each cheque issue so they want bloggers to withdrawal often.

This is no longer good will. There is only this grand excitement to see how they can push for more withdrawal from bloggers. The angst that tips the scale or the arbitraging that so form the basis of their operation. How far will they go to take advantage of bloggers? Their amendment of TOS should be the total disregard of principles of integrity? There is no more good will community pretension; it may soon be an outright disregard.

*There is a mistake in the chart, fees at step 4 should be $2.
The above chart is a representation of the progress of amendment with withdrawing cheque/cheques per $100.
The effort is to make a consistent study. I welcome comments and feedbacks.

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Seven Quintessential Question

2007-11-07T11:06:00.000-08:00

The non-existent moral high ground

The next quintessential question has got to do with the basis of their TOS. Turmoil is obviously brewing now in Nuffnang, from the implementing of $1, a mild one, to the allocation of advertisements to the earnings of bloggers.

What form the basis of Nuffnang’s operation? The answer to this question is the very reason why bloggers want to join them as a publisher of their advertisement. We must continue to study reasons behind their TOS so as to have a distinct and clarity in clearing the doubts as to the crux of the matter thus far. Many of us will have all kinds of different opinions about what is the motive behind every move of Nuffnang. We will disagree often enough to make each other look very stupid. However there is one thing we do not want is to be part of an internet company in the same genre of “Get Rich Scheme” now pervasive in the internet. What I am presenting is also the very same thing all bloggers want to avoid: to investigate and study possible fraud before it contaminate the community further, fraud is not avoided by simply of its existence by genesis but the persistent study which those promises stand upon.

In this era of internet, bloggers want to monetize their blogs and to do so; one of the good ways is to join an online advertising company that can provide strong advertising rewards. The rewards should not be dressed in appearance by promises, but supported by the pillar that will deliver the promises. The TOS of a company must be free to be question and make believe its honesty dealing with the blogging public. Bloggers are not consumers of the company and until the company can understand that bloggers need more than all things façade.

All the more bloggers must question, and Nuffnang must answer intensely, so that their existence can be proven to be reliable and trustworthy. Whatever appear to be causes of changing of the TOS, the agreement of the transaction must be done so with notification.

Let there be no question that no two companies are the same, but a bad shape of a company is always due to massive discontent!

Bloggers may be convinced to swallow a bitter pill. Bloggers may be convinced to hang a logo waiting for advertisements, but let there be no question that for bloggers to endure seeing high traffic bloggers earning, the company’s leadership must be seen to deliver its promise of sharing the pie with tail end’s community as it promised.

Have the lesson of changing TOS being so lost, that they could no longer justify even why they want to charge $1 per cheque? The responsibility of the company is not giving bloggers a sense of fairness in purpose? The more discontent there were, the more the owners needs to be compensated by charging more money? And in due course, whatever you desire for the bloggers to swallow, be it the pill of sequestration of the registrants by their blog traffics or charging fees without authentic justification, Nuffnang now do not have the moral high ground. Are the owners so disconnected that they failed to see that they have lost the high ground to charge even an extra $1 from bloggers?

The justification of charging $1 does not have logic of a well reasoned platter of how bloggers are benefiting from it even they reduced cashing out amount to $50. Bloggers do not buy your justification if they found it to be not linear to an expectant inference.

To understand the value of able to cash out at $50, we see how much Nuffnang receives by each cash out when they amend their TOS.

When a blogger cash out $100 in 2 cheques, Nuffnang receives $2 in fees which in actual fact is $1 bank charge and $1 into their pocket.

If they had not amend the TOS and withdrawal stays at $100, and a blogger were to cash out $100 in one cheque, Nuffnang receives $1 in fees which in actual fact is 50 cent bank charge and 50cent into their pocket.

Now they want you to withdraw more often for no other reason than because they had now invented this thing very cleverly where they rewrite their rules and arbitrage on every cheque that was delivered to you. It became a win-win situation but the lost on the blogger account was cleverly buried.

Likewise, if they had not amend the TOS to change the withdrawal amount to $50 and had pass on the bank charges to bloggers, then no arbitraging occurs.

But if they had amended the TOS to charge you $1 but withdrawal remains at $100, they would pocket 50cent per $100 withdrawal. What if they allow bloggers to withdraw twice in the form of $50? That means they made double the figure which is $1.

Now they want you to withdraw more! The more the merrier! Hence the lower of withdrawal amount.

A company lower itself to this level of integrity is risking discordance with every stratum within the blogging community. Can a company profiting in obscene quantum together with celebrity bloggers amend the TOS to charge bloggers more than it should and let itself bath in newly acquired wealth and opulence? I do not know.

This Seven quintessential question for your representative: Did Nuffnang have a moral high ground, given its business with extremely big corporations, to change its TOS to benefit itself rather than bloggers, many who had not even made money with Nuffnang?

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Sixth Quintessential Question

2007-11-07T05:09:00.000-08:00

The Path of a Scammer

Is Nuffnang moving on the path of a scammer? Are bloggers not coming to the point of their pragmatism that being seduced by Nuffnang into signing up (even one has only 21 unique visitors a day) but was not allow to serve advertisements on the blog because the high traffic bloggers would always be the first to those advertisements? Hasn’t Google.com allow you to register with them if you have 21 unique visitors too? Google.com even allows you to register if your unique visitor’s number is zilch! Nuffnang had market itself in such a way that their use of words so manipulative to the point of creating a advertising model only sustainable by using high traffic blogs to run the advertisements. Are these people who created Nuffnang had any ethics to start with by using this method of promotion?

Have bloggers been putting up Nuffnang’s logo for nothing?

Are bloggers so immersed in the drugs of their marketing words that they unconsciously had embrace into the same Get Rich Schemes that appear on internet everyday?

Are bloggers still to believe that they would make a lot more money than any other advertising company such as Google.com by reading about Nuffnang showcasing celebrity events (selected celebrity friends) on their website?

Are bloggers still going to believe Nuffnang, and see whether they can deliver their promises in the future?

Conversely, the true slippery slope, as alluded in many blogs entry is honesty!

That is the slope that is so important in this era of internet business where all we see in front of us is a screen!

No company that has betrayed its consumer outlived its intended life span!

This Sixth quintessential question for your representative: Were Nuffnang on the path of a scammer from the beginning?

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Fifth Quintessential Question

2007-11-06T16:43:00.000-08:00

The chronology of the transition of Nuffnang’s unicorn: to a celebrity beast

I will now state the chronology of the evolution of the idea of Nuffnang, and give you my take of how Nuffnang was used as a publicity device and its intent and purpose in its existence, and with its intended focus which was to profit from extremely high traffic blogs.

Nuffnang was created February 2007 and main concept of the company was to allow local advertisers to advertise on local blogs. The purpose is simply to manage an advertising community and at the same time achieve its communal status as a responsible dotcommer by promising blogs with more than 20 unique visitors per day could register and be part of the supposing lucrative local advertising potential.( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuffnang). Nuffnang had a free hand in deciding what kind of bloggers they want to recruit to publish their advertisement. The problem faced by most bloggers was low daily traffics which mean they make a paltry sum regardless of brand of advertiser.

It was published that giving lower-unique-visits-per-day blogs to have a share of the pie is important for the Nuffnang. Few months later, the tail end of bloggers is still waiting for Nuffnang to fulfill her promise perceived in the campaign. Nuffnang’s purpose was to simply allow tail end bloggers to register with them so as to accomplish a certain advertising campaign hanging their logo on your blog and spread publicity and popularity of Nuffnang. Their campaign in the beginning to include tail end bloggers in their database were meant to use the tail end bloggers to advertise for them using the tail end blogs.

They were to use this device and sell tail end bloggers this apparently “win-win situation” from December 2006 on Timothy Tiah’s blog and increased awareness to the point when Nuffnang were launched and introduced to the public, people rush for to sign up for it. During a period of 3-4 months, they secured the registration of about 5 thousand bloggers and in that period they used them as an advertising medium to spread their bogus campaign. The game was never gonna be zero summed.

Celebrity bloggers were introduced, events organized, this is also the period where they begins to amass some big corp as their advertiser. The beginning of their intent served.

The campaigning to allow tail end bloggers to register with them was not for intent to allow Nuffnang’s advertisement to serve on their blogs. The spirit of spreading their brand of beaming out the logo using the method similar to what we call Multi-Level-Marketing via tail end bloggers.

As such, the situation is that celebrity bloggers were taking a big chunk of the advertising market leaving tail end of even middle end bloggers earning a paltry sum. As they progress, bloggers with fairly decent traffic begin to question. They had earned an amount not commensurate to traffics their blog is attracting. Few bucks a week to list an advertisement on blogs( few thousand unique visitors) is at best can be call a liability especially when Adsense could earn you a few bucks a day and more so in American dollar.

The nature of their concept which was to let the Nuffnang logo surges through the tail end bloggers. This was achieved as of today, 10 months later. Proof

Now their marketing concept has worked but however has elevated to a dissatisfaction situation with bloggers.

Should Nuffnang be trusted further and be endowed with confidence to manage advertisement on your blogs, if they had in the beginning shown a peculiar tendency of mismanaging your expectation and are now concern about wanting $1 for each cheque from publisher(bloggers) , without justifying the cause for it?

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Fourth Quintessential Question

2007-11-06T16:24:00.000-08:00

Fourth Quintessential Question

Today’s question is a “did you or did you not” question.

Requiring a simple answer, either Nuffnang knows or does not, did or did not.

This is a question of Nuffnang taking its defence as to why a certain blogger(http://skorcareer.com.my/blog) commenting on (http://paypal2u.com/blog/?p=242) in his own words, “interchanging their banner positions for experiment. 1 month later, while advertlets was earning RM100 (i did not do review for them), Nuffnang gave me only 20 cents! What a mystery” was making a paltry 20cent in the exact same location on his blog that earned him $100 later on?

Question 4 to your representative: How does Nuffnang’s justify it’s method of calculating earnings for bloggers, especially those that had a fairly high traffic but earning a paltry sum?

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Third Quintessential Question

2007-11-06T14:13:00.000-08:00

(Please note questions are at the end, front part would always build context, establish facts, this question here and those before triggers off the whole saga but the critical thing is still to clear your doubt as to the crux of matter though reason and logic.)

We have heard from the owners of Nuffnang that they need the long tail of bloggers to bring blog advertising to a whole new level. And they even mentioned that their effort had been paid off which was mentioned Here.

It has paid off for them but has it paid off for their publisher at the tail end? Let me assure you Nuffnang that it hasn’t. Because bloggers with 20 unique visits to their blog daily are yet to see advertisements from Nuffnang. Unless you consider it a paid off for publishers as those like Kennysia.com or Xiaxue.com? But then that is call front head(or tail) right?

How you decide to handle bloggers will determine how popular you are and how impressions are made with new bloggers because if you were to let tail end bloggers perceived to the point of having a share of the pie just to attract their signing up, they would find out in the end your intent, they are not foolish. No intent can be achieved without continuum actions against the promises which made bloggers signing up in the first place.

All your promises will come a time where it has to be delivered. Bloggers spend their valuable time and allow valuable space from their blogs for Nuffnang and surely you are going to deliver your promises? What reason is there to put a Nuffnang Logo on my blog if only the high traffic blog gets the advertisements? Has your buiness algorithm being done correctly?

What is the earning of displaying an advert from you? Is there any slippery slope on the earnings calculation? If a blog is expose to 2000 unique visitors in the concurrent week the advertisement was ran, why am I not being paid at a price commensurate to 2000 visits? There were reports that the earnings depended large on the traffic of the blog received on the previous week before the advert appear. Isn’t that then you could decide unilaterally to run advertisements on lower traffic blogs(just for that week), then exposed to high traffics(actual week) and then tell bloggers you earned just a few bucks even though the adverts were exposed to high traffic?

Question 3 to your representative: Why did Nuffnang not giving advertisements to blogs at the end of the long tail when they had promised in the beginning? Are tail end bloggers under the ditch of slippery slope of no advertisement ever suitable for their blog because advertisements would always go to higher traffic blogs?

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Second Quintessential Question

2007-11-06T12:42:00.004-08:00

(Please note questions are at the end, front part would always build context, establish facts, this question here and those before triggers off the whole saga but the critical thing is still to clear your doubt as to the crux of matter though reason and logic.)

When they decide to implement a $1 fee for every cheque deposits, what was the reason behind that decision? Is it because of the decision of the bank to charge 50cent per cheque? If so then why are they not implementing 50cent? There is a difference of 50cent between the bank’s fee and their fee. Why the margin exists between the amount banks charges them and the amount they charge you?

To pass on the bank’s fee of 50cent to their present consumer is fine; however to arbitrage on the situation by adding a 100% amount to it is not.

What was the consequence? Dissatisfied bloggers raised fundamental points such as why didn’t they give more notice, and what made them come up to that figure of $1. The fundamental question is should or should they not charge you 50cent more if they were indeed implementing the $1 because of the bank. If the 50cent extra was to cover operation cost then why was it implemented at this stage of the business, where in reality operational cost existed even before Nuffnang was launched which was in February.

When Ming and Timothy went onto blogs to explain the reason behind the logic behind the decision to put the figure at $1, more dissatisfaction were created among the blogging community as to the way they decides to defend what they did.

Which raises questions as to the $1, was it really implemented because of the bank’s fee? Even if there were a fee of 50 cent, have they thought of other ways to cut their running cost instead of passing it to consumers (or in this case arbitrage).

Even when the owners think they have the right to implement or update the TOS of their business, we must question.

If indeed it is necessary for Nuffnang to implement a $1 charge to cover their running cost, why did they choose this time to implement? And also use the reason of the bank’s decision to charge them?

Being bloggers advertising for them, we are naturally concern about how honest they are in handling the public. If indeed they had indeed being honest, then should we being their publisher (not even a consumer in this case) get charged for added running cost? Why are they not passing on to their consumer which is the advertisers?

Did Nuffnang really arbitrage on the situation by implementing fees to its publishers (not consumer in this case) unfairly?

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Did Nuffnang arbitrage on the situation by adding 50cent to the 50cent the bank had charge then per cheque out and not being upfront about their intent and therefore raises the issue of high operational cost needing to be covered?

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First Quintessential Question

2007-11-06T12:42:00.003-08:00

(Please note questions are at the end, front part would always build context, establish facts, this question here trigger off the whole saga but the critical thing is still to clear your doubt as to the crux of matter though reason and logic.)

Nuffnang was created to arbitrage on the local advertising market as it serves only local community. There were a few issues recently that did not go down well with its publisher (bloggers). For example a simple issue of implementing $1 for cash depositing has incur the wrath of some of their cash depositors. The issue has been publicized in an article in Techcrunch and readers are split as to whether were they being victimized or protection for the company is require.

I will post each question in simplest sentence in for form of a question, every single day till every stones are turned.

The first quintessential question: Why did they implement a $1 fee for cash out of a cheque? How did they arrive at the figure $1?

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Good Or Bad?

2007-11-06T12:42:00.002-08:00

http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/03/asian-blog-ad-network-leaves-some-bloggers-unhappy/#comment-1732759

Harry

November 6th, 2007 at 12:09 pm

There would be criticisms and there would be praises. If you are really that good, why would people want to bring you down. When i say good, i dont mean just good in amassing bloggers by the thousands or getting big corp to advertise with you or renting an office in some skyscrapers.

You are as good as what the community value you. You can friggin good in negotiations with advertisers or celebrities and organising events. But the community consist of many sections and they judge you as a whole, every section has different expectation from you. Unfortunately the most populated section here belongs to the tail end of the community.

Nuffnang is not elected by community to serve advertisement. Nuffnang is not popular by default. Nuffnang is popular only because of its bloggers, once those bloggers disappear so does your popularity. You real job is to make popular decisions so that blogger feels happy and therefore make you popular. I hope you see the linkage.

Your quest for popularity are subject to competitions. When people criticize you, there is a reason and if you refuse to acknowledge and deal with it and move on, then there would be displeasure. People would start commenting on blogs, hate sites coming up, your competitor would arbitrage on the situation and up another notch.

As you can see, a business isnt simply a matter of having the bank book tally. Behind the bankbook are games, rules, tricks and strategy which you need to learn how to apply in what situation. In my viewpoint, Advertlets had done right many things which Nuffnang had done wrong.

My personal message to the Nuffnang Directors, just 4 words - Stay Humble And Learn.

Meanwhile i will continue to educate aspiring entrepreneurs using the example of Nuffnang in the site.

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Celebrity Bloggers

2007-11-06T12:42:00.001-08:00

http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/03/asian-blog-ad-network-leaves-some-bloggers-unhappy/#comment-1732759

Harry

November 6th, 2007 at 8:15 am

Nuffnang’s shareholders are all the high traffic aka celebrity blogger from Malaysia and Singapore.

The idea of consolidating higher traffic blogs and sell to advertisers as a package was conceived by Ming as you can see here on Xiaxue’s blog >
http://xiaxue.blogspot.com/2007/05/nuffnang.html

Theoritically, Nuffnang is the manager of those celebrities and together, they sell advertising space to local advertisers.

The part where they promise to include bloggers at the tail end of the blogging scene is all but scam. You can register if you have 20 unique click per day but no, they i havent heard of anyone with 20 click per day having allocated an advertisement. I think many bloggers with 100-200 visits per day are even complaining about earning far too little. As little as just $3. So something is not right, alas nuffnang had clarify that your earnings to the advertised week has nothing to do with your traffic on that advertised week. Duh! What does that mean? Nuffnang pays you according to the traffic you attracted the week BEFORE that advertised week. Duh! How can?

You mean when i advertise for you, it is already decided how much i am going to earn? Isnt that a fraud? If so, then then based on what criteria do they decide which part of traffic do they want to include for their payment calculations? If all unique clicks are counter than why so are some bloggers with as much as 500 clicks per day getting a mere few dollars a week? If you kindly just search nuffnang on googles, you could easily find entries which read “nuffnang-earnings-too-low”.

Obviously nuffnang had their concept about the business and it is centered around the high traffic blogs, and when i mean high, i mean 10k-20k traffics a day. Blogs like kennysia.com or shaolintiger and a few others.

Meanwhile they continue to hold events and invite celebrities to be part of crew staging the events as you can easily find video clips in youtube if you refuse to believe this part.

And they would post on their personal blogs about the “successful” event and they are doing this for nothing more than their passion for community. Duh?! Are they putting up a show only?

So far, they have not delivered what they promised in the beginning. I understand courses would change and your business focus might change along the way but no, being manipulative along the way trying to lead bloggers on especially those innocent bloggers who were serious about this Asia’s Advertising Community(or so they call themself) coming onto local scene and giving them a chance of monetizing their blog.

Nuffnang are nothing more than the common “Get Rich” scam you can find anywhere online trying to “teach” you how to make money. Peace out.

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Reply To Kimberlycun

2007-11-06T12:42:00.000-08:00

http://www.kimberlycun.com/2007/11/06/nuffnang-works-really-hard-to-steal-your-1-dorra/

Harry Says:
November 7th, 2007 at 4:16 am

In your essay, your points are selective and biased itself.

There is nothing wrong in implementing $1 or $100. Ultimately policies are implemented themself and people just obey under the TOS right?

Problem, they failed to give advance notice. How much advance should be given, has already been raised, discussed and debated over many blogs, forums and essays so lets not go into detail on that, but we can safely describe it as insufficient in this case(well, according to the consensus)

Second, if you gone to certain websites, you would had realised, the owners of Nuffnang actually gone onto blogs of their publishers to reply, debate, and question, just short of begging bloggers to sympathize with their circumstances with reasons such as 20cent envelop, mobile bills not paid, and in one sentence it described “Labour is more or less subsidised and free in this instance.” (http://www.putraworks.com/2007/10/06/nuffnangs-shocking-news/)

How can labour is free? Labour in any sense is part of your overhead which of course is part and parcel of any business. Therefore in any business, your labour is not free, because you are in it for profit making and any profit that you make, you pocket. So you are theoritically trading your labour for money which is the profit. Their public debating are simply superfluous. Their action is uncalled for, because of the fact, bloggers do not depend on them to blog. They depend on the bloggers to publish their advertisements.

The blog was of course not started because of $1. I would believe you are smarter than that to think that $1 trigger off unsatisfaction comments in blogs to the point of a website and forum being setup.

The downfall of the company would not be decided by this 1 buck issue or the website or any forum. The fate of the company is in the hand of Timothy and Ming and if they make a mistake in something again and get publicized again in Techcrunch, it is not because they are victimising them. When you have something for others to write, they will write. All these are part and parcel of being in the limelight eventhough its not much to your liking.

It is no longer about the $1. Given another company, another man, another time, another day, a $1 issue might not even go to the news. It went to the news because the person who was chosen(or maybe volunteered) to handle the public was not up to the mark and he left offending bloggers and readers with his remarks all over the web and illogical reasoning. That triggers everything off. And suddenly, they became the enemy of the public eye, but thats a fair game. You play well, you win, you play badly, you get bricks thrown at you.

If at this point, the Nuffnang owners still have not understood what had gone wrong, then my prediction is that they would close shop before mid of next year.

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The Big Secret

2007-11-05T10:04:00.000-08:00

So the meeting was on. Big secret meeting. What load of crap! It was Timothy and Ming chairing the meeting. You mean holes that huge able to mend by this 2 shaking souls? It was not too early, cause to hell with the title Executie Director or whatever that means, but a whole load of expectations awaiting, anyway figure this out, do you see director of Google.com posting stupid replies in sporadic blogs? Trying to foist off some postings of accurate reading with your title or name is not going to work out. What about Bill Gates? Friggin replying to you in your post explaining to you why your Windoze has a BSOD?

Its so great to be able to jump on any blogs and comment, right? Comment on the spot not one week later right? Hey dude to be a drug lord, there are certain things you must do. First you must get a few armored SUVs. Second, you need earring on just one ear. I mean helicopter would be hovering overhead but the game would be a fair one. I figure you have no idea that it takes more than a title or money to torch a business. Before you want your freako metabolism, you better learn how to stick it up your ass.

You give the celebrity dudes a big event and you expect the other bloggers to play lego? And then you look amazingly goddamn stubborn when bloggers are pissed off with your motherf-ing handling of them? Meanwhile have you ever seen any Directors or CEO telling people how much they are supporting their own people? Below to right on top, you have the customer service personnel to bullshit, then once it din work, you have managers to sort them and someone who goes around tables and gives everyone what they’ll get since the ball wasn’t played. Neutrality. A business that wins must be prepared to offer remedy for any halting of system. In this case, when it doesn’t go well with bloggers, you freaking bend over and hang your ass in the air.

I’m kinda laughing at the attitude you endorse, I mean if you run the company and you’re on the board, surely you wouldn’t want to be at the frontline melting by public or something? Dare to speak has no connection to earning respect. Look at people around you, in that stupid community, you can speak with a chipmunk accent but you are not offering information using your name but as someone who could raise the issue and reassure the public that you are scare of them abandoning Nuffnang and therefore willing to stamp out any stupid ideas. I mean F your title seriously. You realize you’ve been slapped left right for reasons you overlooked. Beyond your reasons, you need to race around and get shrink for respect and shooting bloggers or something , honestly, I swear to Christ, even if you become the Chairman of Nuffnang, you’re still going to get shot because you f-ing do not know what it takes to be a Director, even a Manager, even a Supervisor.

So here you go, well if things doesn’t run, then you’re probably the last man the public look to you, and you better call them honey, what do you want from me? Saddam Hussein can dance around with some friggin sarong in famous parties but with guys with guns at the door okay?

Now don’t feel so stunned. I mean nobody likes to hurt someone but seriously so long you’ve been sitting there, have you got any idea how to run a corporation? Or your friggin head is gonna explode?

You grow up in a corporation learning the fine art of managing okay? You see those offices, they are not fake okay? Friggin learning how to survive in corporations and invent new surviving methods like every successful people. You got that straight? By the way, have you heard of losers in corporations? Serious, they don’t lose because of ability to work. Scary.

Timothy sitting in office with smoke coming out of ears, Ming is swearing and programmers are kinda laughing or trying to stop themselves from laughing. The whole place is so empty not because of insufficient soul but the clap’s too slow, the coffee’s too bitter and the light’s too dim. The door is not made to scramble through, throw all your fingers at it and collapse it might.

Roar and laugh if you willing and get yourself right back on track working in corporations. Go back anytime. Seriously dude, respect is earned, the need to learn how to earn lies in working humbly for others and that’s all I’m gonna say. Peace out.

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Swelling Up

2007-11-05T07:54:00.000-08:00

Dudes, sorry for the bashings. The blue logo on my blog got the heebie-jeebies and crapped out on me. Do you have a proper customer service system 24hours a day?, yeah right, haven’t got my reply and seems like I’ve been waiting forever. Where is the “genius”? I mean behind that portal of Nuffnang.com (which of course we know is driving some crazy with no delete account function), get something on which friggin drives the community crazy, I’m not talking about some events for celebrity kids. Emergency button! The train is coming and you were gonna get hit by it or something and you’re like, dude, we need the $1 because the envelop cost 20cent each ok?

Shut you off did many bloggers, finally you grabbed the attention again by saying this thing is worse than a douchebag because deals take few months to seal and that form of describing a problem is like a frigtard asking for bashes on his forehead.

So suddenly Nuffnang spiral downards you go, yeah, see, bloggers, we are trying to create a community for you at the expense of a 8K job, are you’re trying to fix me? So there you go, the clue was in the 8K, dopey the genius meant ride 8k for a year.

Preare your termination paperwork and ambulance number for the closure of Nuffnang. Oh and they love starbucks, beautiful coffeehouse which they were really excited about inspite of an office rented for a few K a month. So far, everyone knows how they’d fare. Friggin screaming bloggers cried foul for felt like cheated by the fraud which says you earn on 20-click-per-day-on-your-blog, but of course never gonna to happen at all. Peace out.

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Nuffnang Cracking Now

2007-11-04T20:03:00.000-08:00

Nuffnang says they’re glad and amazed at its ability to pay out at $50. Right, and tobacco companies want you to stop smoking. People, figure it out. Nuffnang are not trying to walk its talk okay? Think it for two more seconds. Who does it benefits? Have you not noticed how Nuffnang is trying to build all these hypes around their fanciful events with celebrity bloggers while the tail end is not getting any bit of the pie?

Why do they work so hard at spending lavishly with celebrities while not walking the talk of showing adverts on blogs even if it only has 20 unique visits a day? Thousands of blogs are locked up with that blue logo doing nothing but taking up spaces, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, what’s preventing them from giving you adverts to make some money? Fair to them, they might not have enough advertisements, but no! Timothy disagrees with that for his reply in one of the blogs that we-have-more-than-enough-advertisement. Awesome! Nike? F&N? Inevitable case of KIDS syndrome.

You mean you have a bunch of advertisers and they could crank your entire complex list of bloggers? Have you got your algorithm correct? Meanwhile, he said “The fact that a significant number of bloggers cash out immediately after the campaign ends means that we are paying out even before being paid!”. My oh my, why do you think you need to be hired before you are allow to hire? I mean you haven’t make enough to buy a chair and now you’re practicing slamming chairs with your bloggers? It was no use cooking up some credit terms with consumer. Squirrels need to hid their food and they know it’s a fair game.

Under the guidance of some managers of course then you can learn the meaning of credit term and you are not special in any ways, you had failed to distract everyone with your choirboy shoutings. You think twits give interviews for fun? Yeah Legos right? You’ve been too busy learning and fighting over petty issues with Ming that you forgot to wear a helmet to when facing consumer that’s why. I bet you didn’t figure this out at the beginning, but you’ve a long way to go and it is not amazing.

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What Nuffnang Can Do

2007-11-04T19:08:00.000-08:00

There been much talks by many bloggers coming fast and furious on Nuffnang about the few boo boo that occurred within a short span of time. I am not going to repeat all that but you can read and know more from this blog here, TheBizWalk.com. It pretty much gives a good summary of what happened.

So now the question is what should Nuffnang do? This is a good case study for the many of us startups on what to do when face with this uphill tasks. Here are some of my personal thoughts and suggestions which by no means trying to belittle Nuffnang nor its founders.

Just what I will do if faced with such situation now. Note: again this is not to be taken as advises or taking pot shot against Ming.

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All these blogs are damaging the reputation of Nuffnang as a service provider and as advertisers*, they themselves will also do their own homework to see if the service is worth using also.

If they see more of these negative posts, especially on Ping.sg or Tomorrow.sg etc ... will run the risk of lack of confident in the company. Suggestion will be to clean it up real nice by going thru what bloggers are highlighting and really work hard to solve it.

For example, clear up the air real good on that S$1 admin fee. The damages are so much more than what's S$1 can be. It is not telling others beforehand that pisses many off, so forget about the S$1 like Adverlets and do it off permanently as a goodwill too.

Dont forget that S$1 is also coming from the advertisers to the company, and without advertisers what's the point of having a lot of bloggers? Ultimately it is the advertisers that pay the profit and commission to the bloggers. If the balance beam tilt too much one sided, everything will go haywire and not healthy for all parties too.

Turn those banners that do not run any other commercial ads into sales banners for partners. No, I do not mean running free ads for the existing advertisers but look into tying up with other partners to make use of all these 'idle' banners and let bloggers themselves earn some money too.

For example, tie up with companies that retail products online and anyone that click that banner and make a sales, bloggers get some commissions too. Everyone wins. You earn, supplier earns and bloggers earn. Bloggers also wont feel like taken for a ride with spaces allocated for the banners but nothing ever shown up also. Take a look at what Google Adsense is doing. No ads? Run charity message instead.

If all day all nite, advertisers see negative posts about Nuffnang the sales is going to be hit badly. And it opens the doors for other competitors cos the companies that are keen to advertise may have already budgeted for it and if I am the marketing manager, I will get Advertlets or some other service providers that have a good reputation and understand the needs of the bloggers better to talk to me instead. Why risk it all putting my head on the chopping board where not only bloggers are complaining about Nuffnang but also the high possibilities of no click thru also?

Yes it is possible. Think about it... with so many negative feedbacks will you still click ads run by Nuffnang ? Some yes and some no ... but if you are the marketing manager will you risk it if you are the one paying to run ads and to answer to the management how successful it is? Ultimately, advertising is tied to ROI very closely too.

Tone down on bloggers gatherings ... the people on the ground are now wondering ... is Nuffnang really that hard up? Able to run gatherings at poshy places and yet still want that S$1 from us? It leaves a bad taste to many so toning it down will be a good start. Which in turn have lesser bloggers blogging about those fancy gatherings, food, locations they been.

There is nothing wrong to 'reward' bloggers or to create some market noise from such gatherings, hell even I do that with supporters of BAK2u BUT now this is different; members of Nuffnang are talking and blogging about the lack of customer service, technical support and on the other hands other bloggers especially celebrities bloggers are talking about how fun it is in the latest gatherings.

BTW, as for no responses best to place a note that on what is the maximum time the person will have to wait. For BAK2u.com, it is 48hrs but usually we replied within 12hrs (customers expect 48hrs wait and if you can do it at half of that, you gain some points. Otherwise, you can still ensure that the standard is maintained even if you answer only on the 48th hours wait)

But then again, there will be those that complained that we do not reply even if you had. Some just went straight to the spam (From BAK2u.com - Kindly submit your comments or enquiries via the following form. Please check your spam mails if you do not receive a response from us within 48 hours.) So what do we do? Save that money and resend that same email again?

Nah, I told the girls to just make a call over if available but do check on the time zone. You wont wanna call that fellow up at 4am when it is 4pm here in Singapore. Money will always be well spent even if it is an international call. Perceived value of your customer service? Will be priceless.

Lastly, identify who should be the PR guy from the company to handle all these feedbacks. It is not so simple to just reply and hope that everything will just rest down. It is really tricky as it is one person, one company against the entire internet 'world'. They can swallow you up, wipe out everything that have been invested and built over the years. No one is perfect for this PR role, but take it as hitting the walls to learn something and then come back stronger. Learn to swim with the 'sharks'.

Some are more forgiving and some are not. But if you are sincere and showing it out in actions, others will be more than willing to let it go. It is also an opportunity to filter out those that are just out for 'blood' only and not willing to move on.

Nobody can please everyone, move on for those that are willing to, and leave those behind that are still bearing grudges.

One last suggestion, for startup dont think yourself as some CEO, CTO, COO, director, founder or whatever stupid position title one may be holding. Titles aside and you can see things clearer and act better too. Sometimes these 'invisible walls' will create more problems than gain, inflating the stupid ego along the way.

Let others see you beyond those titles and know who you really are. Startup = the person that leads it, that starts it. When it grows beyond a startup, that person needs to detach from it and survive on its own under its own brand name. Too many fall into this trap that they are some big shots just becos they are some companies known around the internet or the world. So what? No one will give a damn.

http://tomato75.blogspot.com/2007/11/suggestion-what-nuffnang-can-do.html

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Is Nuffnang only about money?

2007-11-04T18:50:00.000-08:00

Is Nuffnang only about money?

By ED on Nov 4, 2007 in Advertising, Blogosphere, Public Relations, Reviews

After I have written my post entitled End of Nuffnang, I received quite a few comments and emails which led me to transfer this topic into The BizWalk as a case-study of sorts. With this in mind, a more corporate manner of viewing Nuffnang is only natural.

Many comments and feedbacks so far pointed to one thing, that Nuffnang is not meant for everyone. It is not meant for everyone not only for the reason of content relevance. It is also not meant for everyone, if your site’s traffic is not among the top ranges. However, having “high site traffic” is also very controversial after Faddy’s comment in the previous post.

Let’s take a look at several other factors surrounding Nuffnang.

Just a short while ago, Nuffnang silently implemented the $1 surcharge for all payments to bloggers, which caused a stir. Following that, Advertlets took advantage of the situation just like any other competitor would and announced their undertaking of the necessary costs involved. But Advertlets wasn’t Nuffnang’s biggest problem still. The biggest problem is - the bloggers!

As bloggers began writing with doubts on Nuffnang’s implementation, Nuffnang’s founder replied rather unprofessionally. It was unprofessional in the sense that, there was an expectation for the bloggers to understand Nuffnang’s plight when there was little to justify just a move. As some bloggers speculated, Nuffnang had no choice but to bow down to public resentment. The obvious lack of appropriate PR handling of this saga saw Nuffnang being ditched in a pathetic state. This was what I conversed to Jeremiah as “the first blood drawn” from Nuffnang.

Over this time, we have also noticed that bloggers are not only looking at the money but also the “customer experience”. While some may argue that bloggers ain’t exactly “customers”, we have to take note that without the bloggers advertising engines cannot survive. It is upon the blogosphere and social sites that these advertising engines strive best in. Therefore, bloggers are still very much both customers and publishers.

Talking about “customer experience” with Nuffnang, it is a very interesting one. By now, quite a handful of PR & marketing professionals have taken both Nuffnang and Advertlets on a test-drive. Nuffnang’s response time is utterly disappointing, for most. I know some would say the PR & marketing professionals are more critical about response time and efforts, that’s why it is important to note that even the average blogger shared the same sentiment.

On the other hand, Advertlet’s responses are faster, more active and transparent. Advertlets has been able to provide that “personal touch” which Nuffnang has failed miserably. No doubt Advertlets seemed to be capitalizing on every mistake Nuffnang makes, which competitor wouldn’t? The recent saga over Google pagerank has seen PayPerPost coming up with a ranking system of their own. This is an unusual case, for the fact that Google and PayPerPost are not directly in conflict of business interests in the first place. What can we expect from direct competitors then?

It didn’t stop at that. Issuing a cheque without a signature may seem trivial but these days in blogosphere, such a minor mistake can still hurt the business.

Does bloggers care only about the money? Obviously not. By now it is evident that bloggers are not only wanting to earn a side-income with their blogs, but they want good customer service and response too. This is one department that Nuffnang has failed, and has not make any significant changes too. In our real world business, lack of communication or any acceptable customer service is extremely fatal. Customers not only want a solution these days, but also place great importance on how these services are delivered. In Nuffnang’s case, it can be suicidal to assume that bloggers care nothing except for advertisement incomes. In my featured post this month, pitching to bloggers ain’t really as simple as it is in reality.

Last but not least, how can we not talk about Nuffnang’s transparency and truthful representation of their advertising solutions?

By now, a lot of bloggers would have already started questioning on why advertisements are not served after waiting for months. In my previous post, I raised the issue of the indication of 20 unique visitors in their signup page. The comments and feedbacks so far tell us that even if a blogger does not meet the 20 unique visitors, they will still be able to sign up. Why does Nuffnang allows that?

Now, this is the catch.

The many blogs that are displaying Nike advertisements are good evidences of content mis-match. Hence, we can reasonably rule out the possibility that Nuffnang’s advertisements were chosen based on contents. What does that leave us with? The site’s traffic of course. The problem is still not visible at this stage, when selecting blogs according to traffic is nothing wrong. Here comes the doubtful part.

If advertisement placement is dependent on site traffic, then it is also reasonable that Nuffnang (or according to Nuffnang; advertiser’s selections) will frequently be looking at high traffic sites. In this case, it is visible that there wasn’t any intention to serve blogs with traffic in the lower bands. This is further reinforced by the “good news” that Nuffnang will be opening up to cater to all bloggers, not limited by the site’s traffic. That was in July, and we have yet to see it materialize. Under this light, if the lower bands of bloggers are not the intended category of bloggers Nuffnang is looking to serve advertisements in, why “entice” this category of bloggers into signing up and displaying their default advertisement?

“Enticing” a certain category of bloggers with no clear intention of serving them right from the start, looks very misleading and dishonest to me from a business’s perspective. For the longest time, I often preached how businesses should always be transparent and honest in their dealings. When a business is unable to meet these requirements, the eventual reputation can hit them badly. In Nuffnang’s instance, lower bands of bloggers are only required for free publicity usage since they are never part of the community intended to be served.

With the inconsistencies we have seen for Nuffnang, it is only reasonable that the lower bands of bloggers are required to be drawn in for free publicity and not for advertising purposes. Afterall, it is the site’s traffic that matters more than the content. I could be wrong still, given Faddy’s comment that sites with traffic lower than his are running advertisements, whereas he’s not. That being said, is another affirmation that the inconsistencies are very much visible if one looks hard enough.

Swift did a comparison too, but one serious flaw in his comparison was such that it was concentrated solely on the possibility of income. As we can see from so many examples, bloggers are not only concerned about income but also that “customer experience”. In fact, none of the above are related to making money online but business ethics.

The blogosphere has evolved over time, and it has become such an effective tool (and also a powerful one) for any campaigns. However, lack of transparency and integrity in business dealings can be circulated quickly over the internet, once spotted. In a way, it also led me to wonder how differently should technology companies behave in comparison to the real world physical business? Does being a tech-company means one should neglect the core basic skills of PR, or even honesty towards bloggers?

We have since witness how WidgetBucks was slammed for hiding links behind their widgets. We have also seen how the blogsphere has slowly turned against PayPerPost, with doubts towards the integrity and truth behind paid posts that are made to appear as though they are genuine product reviews. Is Nuffnang going to be the next?

Just like what Matt Goddard wrote… “Social media isn’t for everyone. If you are the type of company with enthusiastic customers, it might just be the type of content that you need – not only for R&D, but also to earn trust. If you are committed to innovation and customer loyalty, consider adopting some of the tools that we have discussed here. If you are as honest with your customers as they are with you, your products and services will only get better. So, Jeremiah, we think the corporate Website is as relevant as ever.”

When I was conversing with Jeremiah Owyang via email earlier on, one of his statements was crisp clear… “always be transparent with clients, especially bloggers”.

http://www.thebizwalk.com/advertising/is-nuffnang-only-about-money/

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Wacky Nuffnangees

2007-11-04T09:32:00.000-08:00

And they call themselves the Executive Director in this friggin Nuffnang right from the start. You need more than a suit and a tie, like a massive brainstorm mate. You create this section in your office, right behind those programmers, and call it the table of the Executive Director. Whole table was redone in that glossy candy white color like that imac. You can just sit there eating your satay and drinking kopi-o while looking cool and going, yeah, sort that client out, reading how jealous were people to actually criticize your toy. You’re like, look at me, young, cool, abnoxious, nouveau riche and arriviste, tech savvy, dotcommer and own lots of advert spaces, live in a nice apartment in KL, I’m better than you. Your parent must be going nuts for it. You ain’t Beckham or Rooney.

So you’re like, huh, a horror movie? You wouldn’t recognize the friggin need to go fondle your client’s butt. What? So I don’t go, you don’t gimme business? Whatever, but like, what’s the connection here? Like, will there be a space for me to breath at all? OR maybe you meant some special spaces. Well it’s marketing innit? The good example of putting faces to Nuffnang is like how some brands are sticking on airplace, so when it crash, ya know? That brand crashed! Meanwhile, Ming’s like, Hrm, well,uh,yah, whatever, but we’re lacking in marketing innit? Like there’s only a marketing job now after there was a need for PR job. They’re still as white, as the iMAC.

Truth is you risk your freedom cause you made such a big deal about Nuffnang on your blog out of the stupid publicity and made people know Mr Nuffnang as Mr Ming or Mr Timothy. Smack your face when they feel like smacking Nuffnang. Talking about how you feel kicking the crap out of Nuffnang because you need family members to pay ya bills, ya right, but you 2 are sure pretending one thing or another? Maybe the business is friggin good, otherwise how you figures you need so much iMAC and went shopping for it like a dickbreath in the iSTORE.

Anyhow pushing back on your bloggers and say dilute you means getting little out of Nuffnang makes no sense cause if you have noticed, you have a little ego problem. I’m sorry, “dilute you” ??? My god, look I’ve been to your Nuffnang website and seen you sell those stupid adverts but tell me why the hell when I visit blogs, 90% of them have that blue logo with nothing? I mean, bloody waste of space to plug in just a blue logo there, why isn’t anyone bitching about that? Timothy, it’s a bloodie waste of space even it is painted blue in color. Cut a fart, change your controls, let it work something out for you, give bloggers a slice of the action.

God bless you, if you say bloodie right, mate. Say the words like a gentleman, email your bloggers and tell them, you don’t care what, an ad is going through your web or a bullet through my head, let that deal happen. Ha!

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2007-11-04T07:36:00.000-08:00

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Asian Blog Ad Network Leaves Some Bloggers Unhappy

2007-11-04T07:18:00.000-08:00

Asian Blog Ad Network Leaves Some Bloggers Unhappy
Duncan Riley
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The decision by Singapore based blog advertising network Nuffnang to charge a S$1 (69c) administration fee on payments is causing a bit of ruckus amongst South East Asian bloggers.

Nuffnang was founded in April to offer local advertising solutions to bloggers in Singapore and Malaysia. On the face of it, the company is not dissimilar to Federated Media, offering CPM and direct sale graphical advertising, yet on the other hand it promotes itself a bit like Pay Per Post, complete with blog meetups and sponsored parties. Current sponsorship partners include Nike, Citibank and Clearasil. It’s main local competition is a company called Adverlets, that caters to the same distinct market.

The S$1 administration fee my seem insignificant, but local bloggers are unhappy due to the way it was imposed: with no announcement and only discovered when they went to make withdrawals from their Nuffnang accounts (unlike Adsense bloggers can withdraw money from Nuffnang on request). A number of a prominent local bloggers have said that if they knew there was going to be a fee to withdraw money they may not run Nuffnangs code, and would have used Adverlets exclusively (who don’t charge the fee). There’s even a blog dedicated to why Nuffnang will fail.

Singapore and Malaysia may not be large markets in a global blog advertising sense, but the tale is of note when considering how even small things can cause a lot of damage in the new media age. All the money Nuffnang has spent on PR has meant nothing in the face of bloggers angry over a small administrative charge.

http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/03/asian-blog-ad-network-leaves-some-bloggers-unhappy/

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End of Nuffnang

2007-11-04T07:17:00.000-08:00

End of Nuffnang

By ED on Oct 31, 2007 in Blogosphere, Reviews

As some of you would have noticed by now, the free advertising for Nuffnang has ceased from today. Despite all the hype built around Nuffnang, I must have appeared silly to do so.

As some bloggers came to know about me, I do not blog for money. Therefore, putting up these advertisements served only two purposes. The first is to create breakage between lines and lines of words, for cosmetical reasons. The second, is to have a go at these advertisements and see how truthful are the hype behind each of them. We will never know, until we try it right?

After talking to a few fellow bloggers, I began to realise that I am not the only one who was contemplating with this thought and also not the only one putting this thought into realistic action. Removal of Nuffnang that is. Of course, everyone of us have our own reasons for doing so. However, some of the reasons seemed to be a common one among all those whom have removed Nuffnang’s logo from their intended advertising place.

1. Waiting time
The waiting time is simply not worth the wait. Although Nuffnang carries a slogan of Asia’s First Blog Advertising Community, the experience I have had is far from that. Of all the advertising affiliates I have used as you can see in my blog, Nuffnang is the ONLY ONE in my blog with such a long waiting time without any deliverance of advertisements. Any other advertising affiliates do not come with the hype Nuffnang has enjoyed, but they surpassed Nuffnang in one simple area. Immediate deliverance of advertisements!

Never mind if Adsense displays irrelevant advertisements time and again, never mind if Amazon widget looks nice without anyone actually purchasing a book, never mind if Advertlets is reportedly slow in chalking up income. The point is, they delivered the advertisements! What’s an online advertising affiliate - without the advertisements!?

Even if someone says I am eating the sour grapes because I get no advertisements, bloggers whom have recently been paid also agreed that it takes some time for advertisements to appear.

2. Minimum traffic required
The minimum traffic indicated in Nuffnang’s signup page is 20 unique visits. I ought to be very thankful and touched by their kind gesture to allow my blog with very humble traffic rate to sign up, but truthfully I am not. This requirement is like a white elephant sitting there, with no realistic indication of how that will help advertisers and publishers.

Does Adsense require a minimum traffic to your site? The answer is obvious. Does Advertlets ask for a minimum amount of traffic to your site? The Advertlets advertisements flashing in my blog tells you the answer. Therefore, Nuffnang can set it at 20 unique visitors, 50 unique visitors or even 100 unique visitors it will not make alot of difference. It’s only a matter of how many people will be able to sign up, and the amount of people signing up does not equate to the same amount of bloggers who will be publishing advertisements. The minimum requirement also does not automatically mean you will be “pushed” for advertisements.

3. Numerical beauty
Asia’s advertising affiliates seems to be caught up with the obsession behind the numerical game of signups. In Nuffnang’s blog, it was reported that the Singapore community has breached the 4,000 membership mark. Impressive aye!?

One question remains, how many of these 4,000 members are actively serving advertisements? For Adsense & Advertlets advertisements, I see them everywhere! If I am an advertiser, I think I will worry about the kind of exposure I can get from Nuffnang compared to other advertising affiliates. If you have 4,000 memberships and all 4,000 memberships are active with advertisements then I will say that is something very impressive indeed.

The first Nike Advertisement campaign had only 13 blogs selected reportedly. Now go figure.

4. Recommendation of blogs
If you bothered to look into the Advertiser signup page, you would have realised the last step in their process is recommending a list of blogs for advertisers to choose from. That’s meaning to say, if your blog is not among those recommended you are plain wasting your time.

Of course, certain requirements goes into such a list. It can be anything from your site’s traffic to contents of your blog. One reason why you failed to see advertisements on your blog could be due to advertiser’s selection. You may not be the kind of blog advertisers want if you are writing about sex or celebrities caught nude all the time. The other reason is, you are not even recommended in the first place. Hence, you can display the Nuffnang logo (Reminder: publicity for FREE~! for as long as you don’t see advertisement) for three months and you can still get no advertisements.

Of course, what is truthfully going on behind the scene, we will never know. I bet they will get cursed and swore at if they showed anything that says zero recommendation done for any blogs registered to their advertising platform.

Meanwhile, I will let Advertlets and Adsense fill up the slots with immediate (or almost) advertisements served. Adsense took about 4 days before the advertisements appeared and it is gradually stabilizing with more relevant advertisements. Advertlets on the other hand, is looking pretty with their advertisements. The advertisements are more relevant to our countries unlike Adsense, and again it is the deliverance. I am definitely keeping Advertlets because the advertisements look so pretty instead of looking at an unpaid logo. Don’t you feel the same?

No amount of media coverage or publicity can cover up for the lack of deliverance, in my blog at least. If any more friends (especially those with unique visits lesser than mine) ask me about Nuffnang, two words - FORGET IT!

I preach again… DELIVER DELIVER DELIVER!

*initially posted in my personal blog*

http://www.thebizwalk.com/blogosphere/end-of-nuffnang/

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Smart Ming? Uh, right.

2007-11-04T05:39:00.000-08:00

Don’t get me wrong, I like Nuffnang. But at the moment I knew Nuffnang are truly doomed when they announced they haven’t the experience and wouldn’t wanna be employed for $8K a month but want to be in charge of something. Hello, Ming and Timothy? Have you looked at your credentials?

You do realize you haven’t got any skills in managing and directing corporation right? Now you’ve got bloggers kicking you, critics dragging you and you are screaming into faces about needing to suck $1 for sake of operation cost which existed since day one? I mean, Nuffnang was gonna be a cool product but you do realize besides that, you need to have the skill to manage people and people who had spent 10, 20 years in the business aren’t having fake experience right?

You just know what I’m talking about coz you just made a bloated horrible piece of decision on the $1. I mean man, you get people started, what were you trying to do? All frig knows. You have people commenting on your PR skills and decision and that’s good feedback for you, you are nothing without bloggers so offending bloggers basically would frigged you up to 5 years plus bad sex for 10. Nuffnang, you need someone more evil in charge. I’m pretty sure you are going to offend heaps lot more with “unpopular decisions”. Like you don’t really care if you put a bullet in bloggers head, but god bless you, hope you won’t regret.

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Opening Of Asia's First Nuffnang Discussion Forum

2007-11-03T21:05:00.000-07:00

A forum has been created and in operation for discussion at the popular Delphi Forums. Please feel free to visit, register and post topic for discussions.

It is my wish that questions, issues and problems are raised somewhere and discussed, debated, questioned, hopefully answered and ideas crystallized to become knowledge so as to provide readers, supporters, advertisers, critics and bloggers with accurate informations pertaining to all issues of the operation of Nuffnang .

http://forums.delphiforums.com/nuffnang/

Yours Sincerely
HL

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Inexperienced Revisited

2007-11-03T17:51:00.000-07:00

I mentioned in my previous post that they tried to steal LEGALLY $1 from their bloggers. Why? This started right from the beginning, I guess when you went into a business with no prior experience, and then it spells trouble. How do they feel when receiving calls from advertisers? I mean surely they must have felt heaven. But feeling for seconds heaven is not equate to knowing the road to wealth. In the corporate world, one needs to have the gumption to notice options and then keep trying. You gotta hand something to the man who is working under you and persist that little frigger to produce more and more.

So finally, they realized, what the hell, lets frig with these guys, So they bring them out for lunches, and make a big deal out of the impression they had to give these people they hire. Just to make it look real. But secretly the bank book has to tally, payroll and the business don’t just stay there, it is a zero sum game. Performance don’t stay, motivate or whatever you wanna call it, must keep threaten their current form and you find out how they are doing and then sat them down and, talk to them and use your position as a lever from time to time put their direction and performance on right track tangled up with rewards, never too complicated, whatever. So they have the ability, sure, but gladly see how they seal all vital task and all of its code, sure, so when they decide to give you a ninja bomb, you are as clueless as the toilet cleaning dude in Google.com about how to figure what’s going wrong with their stupid door. That’s how it supposes to work; you gotta break some eggs to make an omelet or something. Brilliant!

Few months ago, they decided not to announce to bloggers about the increases – and believe me, we’re talking about money and they decided to roll over the policy before bloggers got that piece of crap news. Forget your idea and abilities, I mean you could got it right in thinking, but if your implementing isn’t as solid as friggin rock, the idea can be conceived by the most handsome dude and all patented with a bow on it, you are just one of the thousands slaving away trying to make a knock off in the internet world and feel so wasted, Why? Even opening one button after another on your shirt needs practice! If you haven’t friggin get it, I mean the dollars don’t just work themselves out because you had the idea. My friend, behind that idea is not just sitting there, rocking on your chair, chewing gum while someone is coding your idea unless you are prepared to cry. Because it was clear you didn’t know how frigged the whole thing would be. The business won’t run and I swear it won’t be a case of higher heels or minier-skirts, I feel sorry for you not having experience. Almost.

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It's Knocking Now

2007-11-03T13:45:00.000-07:00

How confidential you try to keep it, do not work, for the way you screwed everyone had simply been projected right up to top of the mountain. You’ve been secretly working hard at trying to steal away money LEGALLY from bloggers for past few months. So what does blogger owes you? Nothing. Anyhow their blog continues to serve the internet with or without Nuffnang even with or without Google.com. After you put out your lame financials predicament which did not beat the beggar on the street only because you had family members who knows how badly you suck at running Nuffnang. The whole Nuffnang system is getting there. People had warned you the very minute you said you were not going to work for someone. Getting hammered now from everyone is your fault for screwing your position. Apparently you know what? If you think Nuffnang is bad now, let me say it can get worse, and are gonna look like downhill from Singapore right down to Beirut. Morons can get that far!

So here’s the gig. How do you feel if some investment companies come knocking on doors? They’d tell you, this thing ain’t working out, be honest about it, you can sit in our office and chew gums too. No! You doesn’t need more this than this, so you are thinking about working for someone is shit, I can go retire tomorrow and sit on your ass for 50 years counting your money if Nuffnang works, blah blah. Basically you are about to get canned for such idea and you know it.

You thought Papa would step in whenever you face problems but its obvious now that you can’t run away from the problem of inadequate skills in handling difficult situations. You’re a nice guy and all but you’re as nutty as a doofball to know about solving problems. You think Sadddam Hussein and you think he rule through fear and only fear? Dude, you are going to be doing multiple jobs as a boss and if you haven’t noticed, I think your valuation of yourself sucks not because you haven’t got the potential but hey, have you heard of someone calling himself a lawyer before he got his law degree? I heard that even after he got his degree, his learning starts while on the job.

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Their Ideas Don't Click

2007-11-03T07:54:00.000-07:00

So Timothy and Ming were discussing furiously. Apparently there seems to be this totally huge war like raging entire Nuffnang Malaysia and Nuffnang Singapore right now, but of course the media isn’t covering it because they rather report on Manchester United almost snatching a winner off Arsenal tonight.

But it’s totally bad and Timothy says he’s got this idea of Nuffnang in both countries working together but alas Ming has come out to say the Nuff Sing and Nuff Mud are separate business therefore the difference in charges when they out the cheques. Bloggers were like, huh, dude, and don’t start tossing out that kind of theory just because you think I didn’t go to university. That is pretty funky more than professional to say the least. I mean you look at the professionalism of Paypal, Google. They offer express cheque outs at one international currency and at charges that applies to anybody. No discrimination of sort. Transparency. No grounds for fraud and exploitations. Someone must be handling this inside the office because surely you can’t imagine like you’re talking to fishes and because they couldn’t reply therefore you need not explain why you are a superheroes because you put them in tanks? Talking fishes? They got kinda sniffy because they did not had the experience to start with.

I’m talking about serious experience. Not like tossing salads because that’s what every French knows. Are you kidding? You mean those Nuffnang creators didn’t had appropriate and relevant experience? I mean, Hello! Is this really for fun? This guy who created Nuffnang didn’t know how to manage people, manage clients, manage customers, run office, and lead a team and doing a business? If that’s the case, why not try go work someone and gain some relevant experience in a whole corporation environment, or Google.com or Apple.com. Or Orange.com. Thing about Timothy and Ming is that they are really cool guy and very brilliant and everything, but tends to think they are ready before they are. Ability wise, it is a huge asset but without experience is like car without tyres. Anyone who doesn’t agree with that must be blinded and your eyesight must be lesser than 10% effective. Dude, maybe Timothy should go to a film school you know why? Because so he could learn how to act in Nuffnang right? I mean he acted quite well in his weblog like invented some friggin nerd, okay? Have you read it? So you must go read but instead of just read, try to treat it like a love story, where everything is written to fit into the audience like some dudes in theater, not just any dudes.

Now they are trying to cross-promote Nuff Sing and Nuff Mud and tie in with several events to make a joint theme wrapper. Ming sits there not talking sense like how can he find all excuses in the world to suck $1? A small man in a big theatrical scene. Dude, you’re the one who decided on many things like sponsored events and creating this business call Nuffnang, remember? So, like, good luck with your adventure if you profit, you deserve it but if you lost, its on your account.

There is some big news about you trying to break away from your responsibility and telling folks you haven’t the money to pay bills but your latest problem is just another huge bite out of the beast of entrepreneurship. Your problems will go up and it’s gonna test your nerve massively. It appears that the truth about experience lacking is kicking in now. Right into your butt. Think about a beer or something on this wonderful Saturday night. You wouldn’t believe how fast things are moving now. Watch out as I bet you to hit a big one very soon, no lie. Watch out, Nuffnang! I’m watching you!

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Entrepreneur's Reply To Ming

2007-11-02T21:48:00.000-07:00

Entrepreneur | October 7th, 2007 at 8:28 pm

Hi Ming,

Considering the amount of bad press Nuffnang is getting in the small blogging world of Singapore, you should really consider getting someone to help you with your PR.

Explaining the charge of S$1.00 doesn’t make anyone happy. I don’t understand why you say there is a 50 cents charge for every cheque processed, that’s ridiculous and I don’t know how you came up with that. An envelope also doesn’t cost 20 cents, where do you buy your envelopes?

If you want to charge $1.00, don’t tell people its because of this and that, just charge it against their earnings. No one, except you, know how much they are making anyway. So why make the charge visible and risk the ire of the community? Consider that so many of the bloggers carrying your banner are giving you FREE advertising and at the same time giving you the means in which to make a living (without them you have nothing).

Justifying what you have failed to do, are not good at, have messed up in, really isn’t doing you any good.

Just do better …

http://www.putraworks.com/2007/10/06/nuffnangs-shocking-news/

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Enuffnang from me

2007-11-02T21:40:00.000-07:00

Category: Online Advertising, Make Money — Ades

My first advertisement with Nuffnang.com had ended (on 9th June) but I am yet to see the earnings for this campaign. If you are new to Nuffnang, it’s a publisher program for Malaysian and Singaporean bloggers to earn money.

During the campaign, my blog became slow again. I had reported to Nuffnang about this earlier, but didn’t get a response, not even an auto-response. So I am not sure if they are working on it now. Thanks to Steve for letting me know about this, he was kind enough to test it and make sure that it was Nuffnang script that was making the blog slow.

Until this loading problem is solved, I have decided to remove the script.

I think Nuffnang should concentrate more on the system improvement and bloggers’ suggestions than organizing public events (another one coming up soon). Good PR can get you so far, but if the system is not functioning as expected, even worse if it is running with known problems (loading time, firefox problems). Then it will be a matter of time bloggers stop using the program completely.

Don’t get me wrong, I am not against organizing public events or marketing. It’s just that, you have to walk the talk. And I think, Nuffnang has to make a lot of walking now (or even running ;) when it comes to system performance and customer support. Because the talking part is already done. Also they are not in the monopoly market, to be able to afford to ignore system performance problems. There is a strong competitor for Nuffnang.

I hope if they read this post, they will take it as a constructive criticism and will come up with the system improvements soon.

http://www.adesblog.com/2007/06/12/enuffnang-from-me/

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Nuffnang Bugs

2007-11-02T21:31:00.000-07:00

Nuffnang Bug #1
The first bug I’ve found on Nuffnang is the login. Whenever I’m on the main page and I click the login button. The floating panel comes up and requests for the email and password. The bug here is after entering the details rather than logging me in right away, I’m redirected to the page where it says:

Your session has expired. Please login again.

And I’ve found the Nuffnang culprit. If you were to try logging in with only the website address without the www prefix (http://nuffnang.com.my), then you’ll get the bug. If you typed in the full address, you’re okay. There is 1 way to fix this and that’s to make the website default to the address with the www prefix.

Nuffnang Bug #2
Next bug has something to do with the dashboard. I’ve really no idea why this is happening on Mozilla only. The ‘Add ads’ button disappeared. It pulls a Houdini on me every time I log in to the dashboard using Mozille Firefox.

Nuffnang Bug #3
The last bug I’d like to share isn’t really a bug but a good proof in concept why web standards helps improve website usability. When a lengthy website address is noted in the ‘Came From’ area, it stretches the table causing the layout to break. Development in CSS could’ve actually prevented this from happening.

http://www.dannyfoo.com/blog/2007/08/nuffnang-bugs-report/

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Nuffnang prediction that came true

2007-11-02T21:20:00.000-07:00

My Nuffnang prediction that came true
Posted in Blogs, Marketing warfare, Uniquely Singapore by the(new)mediaslut on the October 16th, 2007

When Singapore SEO, Larry Lim, wrote how Advertlets was capitalizing on Nuffnang’s SGD1 misery, I made a comment the entry on how the competition is going to benefit bloggers.

My comments:

In this case here, Adverlet’s bloggers save on the $1 and this will force Nuffnang to reconsider their S$1 charges. Who benefits? The bloggers, of course.

Ming Shen Cheo, executive director for Nuffang, wrote in his email to Nuffnang members that “As a concession, we have decided to absorb this cost till October 31st).

See what competition does to the players involve?
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DK said, on October 16th, 2007 at 5:57 pm

Am abit disappointed that its just a 1 month waiver. Would be nice if they could waive the $1 admin fee forever.

Oh well…. I guess its better than nothing. :)
Larry Lim said, on October 16th, 2007 at 7:09 pm

Competition is good IF both companies are making healthy profits. But in an immature market and industry where the startup company is barely surviving, I’d rather forego the temporary gratification then to let them absorb the loss and risk going bankrupt …extreme though it may sound.

Then you’ll be left with one company, no competition and very little choice, except to follow their terms.
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Singapore Slingers (Round 1) vs. Melbourne Tigers…

The night before last (considering it’s almost 2am and I’m still awake), I was invited by the one and only *drums rolling* themediaslut (or rather the(new)mediaslut) to watch Singapore Slingers at their opening game, at the Singapore Indoor Stadium,

http://www.themediaslut.com/2007/10/780

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Drop Nuffnang Ads

2007-11-02T21:13:00.001-07:00

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I'm registered for both Nuffnang and Advertlets about months ago. Actually, I discovered about Nuffnang first since it's been quite a lot of exposure from the blogosphere. Based on my experiences, the Chinese community give more influences to Nuffnang Ads compare to Advertlets. While, Malay community keep control on the popularity of Advertlets.

Last week, I drop this Nuffnang ads because I didn't get any advertisement from them. Before that, I emailed them according to my problem. Here the email's detail:

Hi,
After more than one week I embedded the nuffnang code in my
blog, which is at http://www.hafreze.com, the advertisement still
didn't appear. I'm still wondering why some bloggers also had the same
problem as me. Nevertheless, since nuffnang already abolished the
minimum traffic requirement, so the ads will appeared,
right?

For your information, I'm putting the Large Rectangle
(336X280) under my post. I hope that Nuffnang will take my complaint
seriously. thank you

Here is what Nuffnang had replied to me:

Hi Hafriz,

Basically, you have to achieve the minimum
amount of 20 unique visitors to your blog and maintain that minimum
number of visitors. After then, you can sit back and relax while our
advertisers select the blogs on which to run their ad campaigns on.
Should you be selected, you will be notified by email based on the
type and the duration of the ad campaign.

When the ad campaign
is run, your default Nuffnang ad will be changed to the advertiser's
advertisement for the duration in which has been stated in the email
that you have received. You will then begin collecting earnings based
on the type of campaign which is either the unique number of visitors
to your page (Bands) or the clicks on your ads (CPC).

You will
only know of the type of ad campaign after it ends and is updated in
your earnings. This is in order to prevent click fraud as CPC pays
much higher than band visits. The amount of earnings along with its
rates will also remain confidential until it is released in your
earnings. However, you may opt to display the default CPC based ads on
your Nuffnang account in your "Add Ads" page while you are
not running any ad campaigns.

We hope that this information
should be helpful for you. Do feel free to drop us another email
should you require further assistance on this matter.

Have a
nice day.

Regards,
Lance Tan
Customer Service
Correspondent & Web Developer
Nuffnang Sdn Bhd

Apparently, my daily viewers were around 100-250 per day. Yet, although the figures does not really much compare to other, but it still above 20 unique visitors per day, and it keeps increasing!! But I give it a chance, I let the Nuffnang ads for more few days, and it seems 2 days after the email was replied, there's no any change. Therefore, I decided to drop Nuffnang, Sorry!

My two cents,
Boss Stewie arr..give us some ads that clickable lor..otherwise, how come we can earn money? By the way, the public service ads from Nuffnang sometimes annoying my eyes. Why do they use the low resolution images for the ads? Are you agree with me?

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8 Responses to Why I Drop Nuffnang Ads Instead of Advertlets?

Khai

September 8, 2007 6:19 AM

ehehehe... betul tu.. aku dah lama pon drop nuffnang.. skit pon x dapat untung... hakhaks... advertlets yg kool!!

hafreze

September 8, 2007 11:32 AM

khai: tue laa psl..ekcelikan..klu die cam bagi ads..even click tue hanya bernilai 10 sen pn aku akan letak..psl bende ini akan jadi win-win situation laa..aku promotekan nuffnang, at the same time, nuffnang kasi aku duit..even 10 sen per click..psl aku nk support blog advertising asia..tp it seems, lebih byk public service ads muncul..membuatkan aku sakit hati..psl design die buruk sgt..ekeke..

Kay

September 8, 2007 11:41 AM

aku tak tau plak blogspot boleh buat custom ajax.. huhu.. cool... urmm.. aku pon pelik nape die ckp ko tak dpt... ikutkan aku nye blog tuh visitor die lagi rendah dari ko skang ni... dulu2 yer la tinggi... tp aku dpt je iklan nuffnang.. cuma aku tak penah dpt ape2 email dari dierang... pelik.. urmm.. earnings pon susah nak gerak.. aku bg tempoh sket kat nuffnang.. kalo takde, aku buang.. hahaha

syuxx

September 8, 2007 12:14 PM

eyhh..
pade aku, dua2 tak de ape2 punn..
i've use adverlets slama 4month lebih..still only o.58cent dlm my account..haishh..very poor ryte..

megat

September 8, 2007 12:52 PM

tu la pasal, aku pun ada add advertise nuffnang tp x de hasil :p

Afzai Afandi

September 8, 2007 11:43 PM

so far , mine advertlets and nuffnang...ok jer

Slave

September 11, 2007 5:13 PM

LOL!! if you are using nuffnang .. u need to have luck!

they ar not runningg global program like adverlets!

so u need to have a niche article.

SOmething this blog
http://lets-earn.blogspot.com

hafreze

September 11, 2007 5:18 PM

slave: haha..tq for ur advise..I'm thinking on putting the ads back..since they already send a email explaining why/what about nuffnang at me..

Something to say?

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Dudes, You Lacked Experience.

2007-11-02T19:53:00.000-07:00

So every once in a while, if you smoked too much or drank a bit too much, it is the fault of your mother? You must be feeling kind of malicious; I mean you go crank your bloggers just because you couldn’t think with your head?

You go call Timothy and ask yourself this question, did experience of did not experience was the difference in the issue of increasing the $1? You mean if you put someone who had never being employed in his whole life and pretend he had this bag of experience to chair a meeting and to pick up battered soul at work? You should be bloodie shock to believe you guys are good enough to manage people and to lead a team and to become boss of a company. “Ouch ouch!” Bzzzzzt! Hey! I told you so didn’t I? G-g-g-gg-g.aaarrghhhhh!

Try calling yourself this evening right after dinner. Baked yourself up with whatever problems you are facing. Ask everyone in the office. “Dude, I know we are lacking in experience here, I mean we are so lousy, we haven’t even worked a single day before this bloodie Nuffnang was created, I can’t do this job, I’m burning out, blah blah, so we are really needing you, to do your best and give us lesser problems, I’m begging you, please, don’t come and talk to me about whatever problems you have, please!”

The poor idiot hasn’t had a real job before Nuffnang and now they are trying to bring Nuffnang to be on par with Google.com? Oi! You gotta be joking. You mean if they dressed their portal up as in snazzy suit like Google.com does and they would be jizzing all over the net just like that? You mean Steve Jobs and Bill Gates created their business with a flick of a button ONLY?

I have never heard of you and Ming before Nuffnang. I do not recognize your name and I do not wish to say I heard of Lengmou or whatever hamstertuition. And I was not living in Africa. All the while I’m up on the net with all popular blogs and laughing my asses off even without knowing the 2 of you. Ha! You been punked by yourself! Stomp out if you wish, sell your beemer if you can’t afford the parking. Stare into your car for a good time because they could be going for a good price to pay your programmers who continue to operate to allow you to suck $1 ringgit for every cheque out. Priceless $1 ringgit.

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Open Letter To Ming Shen

2007-11-02T19:29:00.000-07:00

Your entry dated 10/09/2007 12:49:00 PM post on Here is disgraceful.

Your handling of the issue of the $1 is so tasteless that i can't see how you can survive in Nuffnang for long.

You take the example of the community program, which was sponsored willingly by Nuffnang and CRIED COSTLY now? No bloggers or advertisers requested Nuffnang to hold the events. It was with goodwill and of course commercial benefits that the event was staged. The game is fair yeah, you decide what you want to do with Nuffnang and you profit or you lost, you stand by your decision , good or bad.

From your letters, you drift into saying you are not being paid a cent and you sounded rather surprised, this is a business for goodness sake, and stop comparing yourself to those taking comfy jobs in banks or anywhere because you DECIDED on this route and nobody put a gun to your head to create Nuffnang. Disgraceful is all i can think.

And now it becomes bloggers fault for you needed family to support your mobile phone bill, and needing to siphon $1 ringgit each from bloggers to pay your phone bill is that watcha meant? Disgraceful is all i think of you Ming shen.

You are trying to build a business, there would be risk and stop whinning and telling how tough it is because you are always free to walk out of Nuffnang if you find it economically not viable.

If you make a mistake, admit it, move on yeah? Stop finding excuses, telling us your about your unpaid mobile bills, the difficulty in holding events and so on.

These are all your decisions, and if you fail, it is you and your only fault. If you are not good enough, admit it yeah? You're a man, do what a man should do.

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Nuffnang operational cost?

2007-11-02T19:14:00.000-07:00

Putraworks was blogging about Nuffnang imposing a SGD$1 transaction fee for all cash out recently. Nuffnang claims that the $1 transaction fee is for postage, cheques, materials, and handling cost. The entry created quite a big hoo ha and was the most popular post of that day in ping.sg.

Ming, co founder of Nuffnang, saw that article and replied in the comment box, giving more details on how they derive the $1 transaction fee.

I understand this is an unpopular decision, but in the face of significant costs which I will now break down and reveal to you, this decision has been taken by the management in consideration of long term viability.

The main bulk of costs comes in the form of cheque processing. This is something you can openly verify. UOB as with every other bank now, is charging 50 cents per cheque processed.This is in addition to the cost of the cheque book which they also charge for.

In addition to this there is the postage fee, which by 1st local is 25 cents each (for a stamp). The envelope costs 20 cents each. This brings it up to 95 cents, which means 5 cents for the paper, ink and labour. Labour includes time taken to print out the letter, verify the amount, pack it, and send it off.

Labour is more or less subsidised and free in this instance.

One mistake I will admit to making and can rectify immediatly is that we did not give any lead time for implementation. As a result, this action will be delayed till november. I will update all nuffnangers in the next community update.

I look forward to your continued support.

Am glad that Ming steps out and explains the $1 fee. But as I was reading, I felt that something was wrong.

Lets breakdown the $1 transaction fee first.
$0.50 – Cheque processing fee
$0.25 – Stamp
$0.20 – Envelope
$0.05 – Paper, ink and labour

Ming is correct to say that the operational cost has gone up recently. With effect from 1 Oct 2007, UOB charge $0.50 for every cheque processed. The first 30 cheques will be waived. But lets just assume that Nuffnang have their own bills to pay too and used up the 30 cheque quota every month.

But the rest of the items are existing operational cost. Stamp, envelope, paper, ink and labour charges have been there since day one. They are nothing new. Was there an increase in prices lately? If there isn’t, then these items shouldn’t be added into the new transaction fee. In fact, when deciding the payment structure, these items would have already been put into consideration. Why is Nuffnang passing these charges to bloggers now?

So technically speaking, the increase is only $0.50. How much additional operational cost is that? Currently, there is a total of 2500 Nuffnangers. Assuming 10% of the Nuffnanger cashout every month, the increase in operational cost will be just $125 per month. Surely a company of Nuffnang size is able to absorb this little increase in operational cost.

And if you really think about it, do they really have 250 cashout every month?

The saddest part of this whole incident is not about the $1 transaction fee. It is the mentality of the management. $1 is a small amount and I'm sure everyone can afford it. But when operational cost goes up, instead of finding ways to cut cost, the management decides to pass the additional cost to consumers.

Well, passing the cost to consumers is easy. That's what our public transport companies always do.

Posted by DK on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 at 11:15 AM

Actually, they didn't pass the cost to the consumers, they passed it to their "staff". The nuffnangers are the ones who "sell" the ads for nuffnang.

In my opinion, they should have raised the advertising rates to their clients instead. I don't think their clients would notice the slight increase in rates.

Or, they could have used Internet Bank Transfer instead. That way, they totally cut down the use of stamps, envelopes and cheques. More environmentally friendly and convenient too. Instead of using paper, it is only an exchange of electrons.

Posted by Cobalt Paladin |
10/09/2007 11:39:00 AM

Well stated, my thoughts exactly. Nuffnang has a serious PR problem.
Serious community backlash.

They really need to handle things better. It's not about the $1, its the justification (which is lame, they might as well say that it costs 10c for the light used during that time, 20c for the desk usage, $2 of time spent for the person writing the cheque, 10c for signing, etc.), the lack of transparency, and the inability to handle the complaints raised.

Nuffnang can do well- but it really needs to hire someone who knows how to get the message across well.

Posted by Entrepreneur |
10/09/2007 11:42:00 AM

Cobalt Paladin: You got a point. Nuffnanger are staff, not consumers. Haha.

I don't think raising the advertising rates is a right thing to do. It might scare away their clients.

Anyway, there are many ways to counter this increase in operational cost. Its sad to see that they decided to pass it to bloggers.

Posted by DK |
10/09/2007 11:57:00 AM

Entrepreneur: Agree with you that Nuffnang have some serious PR problem. But hiring someone to deal with PR is going to push up operational cost again.

The justification only managed to explain 50% of the $1 fee. The rest are existing cost which Nuffnang decides to use this opportunity to pass to bloggers.

Posted by DK |
10/09/2007 12:01:00 PM

Hey Dk: Understand your concerns, but then if you think about it, we never has any money before nuffnang or any other blog advertising community came about. Adsense didn't give s jack shit.

Agreed that it's not about the $1 and you're upset about the management passing on the cost irresponsibly to the bloggers, but maybe if you look at it from the flip side, we all can be a bit more appreciative.

I think they're working hard on their end as well, no?

Posted by eStee |
10/09/2007 12:19:00 PM

Cobalt is right.

People always get things wrong. Bloggers (Nuffnangers) are NOT the consumers nor are they the client since they don't pay anything to Nuffnang, it is Nuffnang that PAYS them.

Not to mention, Nuffnang is the one that creates a value on our blogs advertising spaces. Lets be frank, before Nuffang hundreds or thousands of bloggers will never have seen the lights of a Citibank campaign running on their blog.

I think Nuffnang delivered the message across very well on the transaction cost rather than keep quiet about it. However, some bloggers nit pick on everything and are foolish enough to keep trying to kill the 'Golden Goose'.

Before Nuffnang, there were no free movie screenings for you to go for, no blogger gatherings of the scale that Nuffnang plans them and much less opportunity to earn from local ads.

I like Nuffnang... maybe it's time people learn to appreciate them too and this is coming from me.. someone who doesn't even have a blog to enjoy the benefits of their existence.

Posted by wong |
10/09/2007 12:25:00 PM

Dear all,

First off, let me say I appreciate all your comments. I can't lie and say it leaves a good taste in my mouth, but it is my duty and to my benefit that I listen to all feedback and evaluate my own perfomance.

The prime reason why I revealed the breakdown of costs, is because my core philosophy in doing business has always been transparency. It leaves you open to attack and critique alot more, but at the same time, I believe it makes the world a better place in the long run.

Truthfully, if I were to be brutally honest, there are a whole host of other costs that are not apparent to the blogger which we have assumed.

Take for example our community program. Every event we hold costs us thousands of dollars. Lots of effort and time go into planning such events. At the end of the day, we still get good and bad comments. People who say thank you, and people who say should have done a better job. It is impossible to please everyone, and we move forward with whatever encouragement we recieve, and plan the next event (Also bearing in mind that we can improve).

If anybody thinks that Nuffnang is making a pile of money off the backs of bloggers, and laughing all the way to the bank. They are sadly mistaken. We are growing, and it is looking good, but we are a startup. Both myself and timothy are not being paid a cent. Of course the developers and team is, and without family support, so many things would not be possible.

Let me give you an example. And allow me to take a personal aside to this. The weight on my personal shoulders everyday, is that whilst my peers are making money in comfy jobs in banks or consultancy firms, I have to rely on my family to support my mobile phone bill. Taking an allowance at the age of 24 is not exactly my cup of tea, but I have chosen this course of action, because I believe I am bringing something of value to the larger community.

Whilst our vision has always been to enrich others. Reality is not built merely upon dreams. Everything has a price tag out there The only people fully aware of the costs of doing this business are me and timothy. To stay afloat, unpopular decisions have to be made and taken.

Passing on costs to advertisers is not a good idea. Especially considering how difficult it is to sell online media space to them in the first place! Today only 2 percent of adspend goes online. Nuffnang is trying to grow that, but we have to make the medium as accessible as possible. Passing on $1 to them is not going to make a difference, but there are a whole host of other costs to consider.

I am of the sincere hope and do believe that most Nuffnangers do feel they are better off with Nuffnang in the picture.

To all our doubters, and critics, thank you also for keeping us alive and on our feet. We would not improve without your comments.

After the launch of NN2.0 we will almost certainly be looking at other means for you to cash out. The last thing we want to do however is to implement new systems without evaluation and planning.

Best regards,
Ming
Co-Founder
Nuffnang.com

Posted by Boss Ming |
10/09/2007 12:49:00 PM

Estee: I'm not upset over the $1. (It doesn't affect me since I'm not on Nuffnang). I just feel that it wasn't justified and am writing my comments about it.

If every business were to pass additional operational cost to consumer, then we are all doom.

Posted by DK |
10/09/2007 01:06:00 PM

Wong: Right. We keep confusing the relationship between bloggers and Nuffnang.

Since Nuffnang pays bloggers, are we right to say Nuffnang is the employer and bloggers are the employees?

So how would you feel if your boss tell you that he is going to deduct $1 from your paycheck every month from now on because the bank has raised their transaction fee? Not quite good right?

I'm not killing the 'Golden Goose' here. I doubt I'm capable of anything near that. Just voicing my comments on this issue, hoping the management would do something about the increase operational cost and not pass it down to bloggers.

Posted by DK |
10/09/2007 01:12:00 PM

Ming: Thanks for your comments. Sorry for disturbing your lunchtime.

I understand the pain of being an etrepreneur. It is never easy and it will never be. That is why not everyone take the plunge and start their own business.

I understand that there are tons of operational cost. Community events are marketing for the company and will pay back eventually.

The reason why I raise the issue is because:-

1) The actual increase in operational cost is only $0.50. The remaining $0.50 are existing cost which in the past has been absorbed by Nuffnang. So why is the transaction fee marked at $1?

2) Instead of passing this increase to bloggers, has Nuffnang explored other methods to cut down the cost?

Posted by DK |
10/09/2007 01:24:00 PM

Nuffnang is crap. Google has better ad yield.

Posted by Anonymous |
10/09/2007 01:53:00 PM

Anon: That is a very subjective comment.

Posted by DK |
10/09/2007 02:23:00 PM

dk: I feel that it is bad PR to pass on cost to your "consumers" or "clients". People are always sensitive to cost issues no matter how nicely it is said. Then again, I am not about to cash out from nuffnang anytime soon at the rate I am earning so it does not really matter to me :)

Estee, anon, wong: Like DK, I think whether or not nuffnang or google ads or advertlets gives better yield is totally subjective. If you never get ads from nuffnang then your yield is totally ziltch. I have already mentioned that before in my blog about the cost of nuffnang vs others.

Posted by arzhou |
10/09/2007 06:25:00 PM

I was wondering what's the problem here. $1 is just a small matter. If you don't like it seriously don't use it. Nobody force you people to use ads on your website.

I'm not trying to be a wet blanket. But if your site is in good quality with good amount of traffic, you be earning more. $1 will be just a token of appreciation for giving us a chance to earn online.

It's already bad that some people are struggling with programs like adsense, adbrite and others. Here a local company trying to help you and all they get is complain. For example, if you hate public transport, buy your own goddamn car.

Nobody force you. Hate your work, quit! Nobody force. Don't like the $1 fee. Remove it. Thank you very much. *rants*

By the way, I myself not using Nuffnang, cos since I don't like it, I don't use it.

Posted by Anonymous |
10/09/2007 07:18:00 PM

Ming, nobody care about how you startup or not taking money, that will be for another time when when interviewed. The issue here is that nuffnang didn't tell others BEFOREHAND about the $1 and only when others make noise about it, THEN you come in to justify and still you didn't answer the 50 cents different.

So there you go.

I repeat, it is not that others don't appreciate but on not knowing the charges. At least paypal is upfront about it that there is a charges when payment is received. If you don't like it, can use others like worldpay but in this case, NO, there isn't any notification at all.

That is why pissed others off.

Posted by Anonymous |
10/09/2007 07:32:00 PM

Thank DK.

Ming had learn from his mistake of implementing something and not informing us ealier through email.

We just hope Nuffnang improves in the future.

Anyway, I didn't care much of the SGD$1 as my blog is working for Nuffnang, not me. I just put the ads and collect money.

One more thing, I didn't put my eggs in a single basket. Current my blog is earning more than 10 Ringgits Malaysia everyday from Advertlets. I also have TLA ads that is giving me money every months.

PutraWorks.Com

Posted by Putera Emas |
10/09/2007 10:26:00 PM

hmmm i don't know the full story but theres 1 thing I noe for sure...

Nuffnang sure does have a very very bad PR going... Just on ping.sg along, over the past 2 mths, there are about 4-5 post in top10 talking bad about nuffnang...

I think they should improve on this...

all the best...

Posted by jl |
10/10/2007 01:20:00 AM

Arzhou: I thought you got quite a number of Ads on your blog. Still can't cash out? hmmm....

Anon1: If you notice, I'm also not using Nuffnang too. :D Like I said, its just my personal comments on this issue.

Anon2: I guess the whole issue wasn't handled well.

Posted by DK |
10/10/2007 02:37:00 AM

Putera Emas: RM$10 daily from Advertlets? WOW. You have lots of traffic on your site.

jl: Yeap. Lets hope they will improve.

Posted by DK<;;;;/a> |
10/10/2007 02:41:00 AM

Food for thought... Did anyone thank NN when they reduced the cash out from 100 to 50 bucks?

Posted by eStee |
10/10/2007 04:36:00 AM

@estee: why should we thank them for letting us get our money earlier? It is like thanking the government for letting us withdraw our CPF at an earlier age...

anyway I think it's a small issue, but maybe they could implement it after our first cashout?

Posted by chillycraps |
10/10/2007 06:56:00 AM

Estee: No. But likewise, do you thank Robbinson when they having sales?

Chillycraps: Yeap. Its a small issue. I guess it can be better managed if they don't just simply pass everything to bloggers.

Posted by DK |
10/10/2007 09:09:00 AM

Hi all,

You are right in saying that the increase in cost is 50 cents. However,this does not change the fact that the total cost is above $1 and we have been absorbing it throughout.

The community is growing at a phenomenal rate, and today we have 4,000 bloggers in SIngapore and 5500 in Malaysia (Your figures were obtained from my last community update).

The rate of increase has not slowed down, and we expect fully to get to 10,000 bloggers in each country, which would mean a significant cost to us everytime somebody chooses to cash out.

With regards to lowering of cash out, I think people neglect the dynamics of this. The simple fact of the matter is that there are payment terms for advertisers. Most of the time, it is 60-90 days after campaign (They drag it on).

A significant proportion of our 4,000 bloggers get to cash out pretty quickly, which means that we are paying them out of our own coffers first before having recieved any money from the advertiser!

This is a fact with all the payouts so far. Whilst the bloggers have all recieved their cash outs, Nuffnang Pte Ltd to date, has not recieved payment for any of the campaigns we have run. This is not a discredit to the advertiser, but something that is written into the arrangements.

Cashflow in business is important, but we also believe in lowering it to $50 we are giving bloggers a world class service. NO OTHER network has this treshold.

Best regards,
Ming
Co-Founder
Nuffnang.com

Posted by Boss Ming |
10/10/2007 09:46:00 AM

Nuffnang’s Shocking News - Part 2 -> http://www.putraworks.com/2007/10/10/nuffnang%e2%80%99s-shocking-news-part-2/

Posted by Putera Emas |
10/10/2007 10:33:00 AM

I'm not an NN publisher but I've been on other affiliate networks for a while, e.g. Google Adsense since 2005.

I think NN's handling of the issue (i.e. being transparent) is laudable. They seem to treat bloggers as "partners" and not mere "affiliates".

Compared to other networks like Google and Adbrite, their commission's as high as 30% and you're unlikely to get explanations from their management.

Just remember that before NN, they'd been no one to help monetize your blog.

Posted by Larry Lim |
10/10/2007 11:18:00 AM

Ming: Congrats on hitting 4k members.

Having more members does push your operational cost up. But at the same time, the profits should be increasing at the same rate (if not higher). So if Nuffnang is able to increase their profits the same rate as their membership, then there shouldn't be any problems already. Right?

But if Nuffnang is unable to increase their profits at the same rate as their membership, then I think even the $1 transaction fee isn't going to help the company in the long run.

Is having more members pulling the company down?

I notice a lot of Nuffnangers promoting Nuffnang to their friends. Instead of being rewarded for promoting your company, they are now being slap with a $1 transaction fee because Nuffnang grew too big.

Something isn't quite right here. Don't you think so?

Posted by DK |
10/10/2007 11:23:00 AM

Putera Emas: I have enough shock already. I'll skip this one.

Larry Lim: Yes, I'm really glad that we could debate about this issue here openly.

As for monetizing blog, I'm sure there are other companies out there that does the same. Take Advertlet for example.

Posted by DK |
10/10/2007 11:31:00 AM

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Enuff of Nuffnang

2007-11-02T13:37:00.000-07:00

Lifted from http://blogsreview.net/2007/04/18/i-think-ive-enuff-of-nuffnang/

When I first signed up on Nuffnang, the Malaysian based blog advertising community, I listed two web sites to place my Nuffnang banners. They are located on my personal website as well as this site. I was told that the banners are supposed to be prominently placed as advertisers would prefer their advertisements to stand out when surfers visit the blogs. So, I placed the banner on top of my post contents in my personal blog and over here, just below the Title of this site but above Google Adsense ads.

However, I ran into trouble with PayPerPost in respect of my personal blog because they dislike the big banner which appears at the top of the post contents. Since I was making more through PayPerPost compared to Nuffnang (which I still have yet to earn a single cent till todate), I decided that Nuffnang should be sacrificed. This is not the end of the Nuffnang story.

On 12th April, 2007, I received an email from Nuffnang informing me that this blog has been chosen by an advertiser wherein the campaign date will run from the 15th April till the 5th of May. Great. Finally I’m going to see some money coming in. 15th of April came and so did this computer gibberish message in replacement of the banner. I wrote an email to Nuffnang’s marketing department (well, email says : marketing at nuffnang dot com dot my) on 16th April informing them about the error but that email was bounced back undelivered because the routing to timothy at netccentric dot com failed. I then sent the same email to timothy at nuffnang dot com on the same day but I have yet to receive any response.

Something is wrong somewhere. And I don’t think it’s on my part here. I really do not like to see that computer gibberish right up there on this blog. It is ugly and it does not flatter Nuffnang as well. Perhaps by the time you read this, the issue has been resolved or I may have removed it altogether.

I know that Nuffnang is new (it was afterall, recently launched on 27th February, 2007). I know that there are many things to improve and the team is working hard to iron out all issues which cropped out. However, not all bloggers / publishers or advertisers may be as patient, especially when emails are not responded within reasonable time. Even a “I am away and will get back to you as soon as possible” email would at least do some damage control. There are many advertising programmes out there jostling for business and customer service need to be given first priority - whether they be the bloggers or the advertisers. If I were Nuffnang, I would be embarassed indeed to see the advertisement on my blogger’s page turning out to be “Not Found - The requested URL /adsprovider/adsprovider/imgadscenbust.php was not found on this server.” message with Nuffnang Ads immediately at the bottom. What would advertisers say about this? Mine may be an isolated case but it is still one damaging case. Since no one from Nuffnang could respond to me, I have to reach out to them through this blog.

If they can respond to me within 24 hours and get this thing sorted out, I will remove this post of mine. I know they need to look after their rice bowl and I am willing to forgive. I am not unreasonable. So, over to you Nuffnang.

Lesson to learn : Do check your blog regularly to ensure that all the links or banners are working.

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Oh Nuffnang, Why Are Thou Found To Be Wanting?

2007-11-02T13:17:00.000-07:00

Oh Nuffnang, Why Are Thou Found To Be Wanting?

I finally got to cash out from Nuffnang today as my earnings hit the big (actually the minimum) FIVE-O. This paltry sum is a culmination of 17 ad campaigns inthe period between the 25th of March 2007 to the 6th of October 2007, and it practically sucks.

The local ad provider with the tagline Asia's First Blog Advertising Community seems to run Cost Per Unique Visitor ad campaigns on member blogs on a weekly basis. However, gaps when there were no such ads do occur. There were no Cost Per Unique Visitor ads for the following periods:

15th April 2007 to 21st April 2007 (1 Week)
29th April 2007 to 12th May 2007 (2 Weeks)
20th May 2007 to 2nd June 2007 (2 Weeks)
15th July 2007 to 28th July 2007 (2 Weeks of CPC Ads!)
29th July 2007 to 4th August 2007 (1 Week)
5th August 2007 to 11th August 2007 (1 Week of CPC Ads!)
19th August 2007 to 1st September 2007 (2 Weeks)
16th September 2007 to 22nd September 2007 (1 Week)

A total of 16 weeks out of 28 weeks were with Cost Per Unique Visitor ads. If I were to calculate with an average ad earnings of RM 3 a week, 28 weeks would have brought me RM 84 ringgit instead of that sorry sum you see earlier in the post.

The method used here is abit unorthodox but surely you can see that despite the moniker "Asia's First Blog Advertising Community", there's a certain feeling that they lack advertisers and campaigns to go around. And I'm not talking about CPC ads.

Google Adsense has that covered in my case, I make more in a day then what Nuffnang makes for me (in terms of CPC ads) throughout the entire March-October period.

And as my fellow video game blogger in arms has mentioned, I definately make more in a month from my Play-Asia ads (around USD 50 to 60). I don't blog for monetary gain but at least that is helping fund the games, figurines and other video game related items you see on this blog and dear Nuffnang, you are no help at all.

So the question now is, do I go the way of Advertlets...or put up with both. I'm a one woman guy, but I don't think I want to pursue the same philosophy when it comes to local ad providers.

http://nineoverten.blogspot.com/2007/10/oh-nuffnang-why-are-thou-found-to-be.html

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Nuffnang sucks?

2007-11-02T13:15:00.000-07:00

Say’s who?

I said so!

I have been using Nuffnang as part of my online monetization tools on one my high traffic blogs for quiet some time now and I am not at all happy with it! :-( I can’t believe that I only earned a pathetic Malaysian 0.30 cents from it. It is utterly ridiculous! I even made more money from Advertlets! I made the decision to totally remove my Nuffnang ads from my high traffic blog a few days back.

What about you readers out there? Are you making good money from Nuffnang lately?
Give me your thoughts on Nuffnang. I would love to hear them. If you guys made money out of it, I would reconsider my decision.
Thanks!

http://homebiss.blogspot.com/2007/09/nuffnang-sucks.html

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Why Drop Nuffnang

2007-11-02T13:08:00.000-07:00

Why I drop Nuffnang

I’ve been using Nuffnang on hongkiat.com for quite some time, probably since the launch and now I chose to skip; nothing personal, just that when ads do not generate revenue we have to let go and give way to better. Here’s few reason that drew me to this decision:

CPC on Image Ads

Bloggers who make money from blogging should know image ads are poor on Cost Per Click (CPC); that’s probably the main reason why most image ads out there are offering as Cost Per thousand Impression (CPM), affiliates commissions, cost per month, etc. I do understand advertisers could be requesting for CPC on their image ads so they maximize from what they’ve paid for, but bloggers should also have the choice to choose if they are interested to accept CPC image ads. CPC image ads appear on blogs without notifications and I think that’s bad. Bloggers only come to know that they are actually running a CPC after noticing a downfall in ads revenue.

Prime Areas on Image Ads

Prime areas are noticeable areas on your blog before a scrolling; they are precious spots as these areas usually get most attention on any visits. It’s best that we make good use of them. Some prefer putting high pay ads, some insert top blog content. In a nutshell, prime areas are expensive areas. I’ve been using Nuffnang on Sidebar prime areas, mainly as being supportive and also earning money from it But if it’s a CPC Image ads that don’t convert,
I’ll have to drop it.

Ads are static

I totally understand that both our local ad networks are new and there are only limited amount of advertisers for the time being. Limited advertisers also mean limited variety of image ads. That’s fine if image ads are running on CPM basis. My point is, when a new CPC image ad comes in, there is a high chance that user will click it. And when user clicks, you earn. But when the exact same ad is being displayed again and again, no one will click it again and when no one clicks your earning will stop until the entire campaign is over. Still, it’s a CPC image ad problem.
Here’s a little suggestion, ad network can suggest advertiser to come out with series of different banners for the same campaign. At least it gives a fresher look instead of displaying same old banner again and again.Ratio of my local visitors Hongkiat.com reached 4.2k unique per day but it’s recorded around 3k in Nuffnang. That’s okay as tracking might be lead to inaccuracy from many factors. The explanation I was given when I do not have ads served is – my ratios of Malaysian readers are low. Personally, I think that’s quite arguable. Say I have 4000 unique/day with ratio 1:5 - Malaysian readers : International readers. This means I still have 800 unique Malaysian readers/day. Aren’t these Malaysian readers counted?
A reversed question: If the ratio of my traffic is 5:1 and I’m getting 3.2k Malaysian readers and 800 international readers on daily basis, will these 800 International readers be taken into considerations for ads serving?

Geo-location targeted ads are probably the best solution here but I’m still getting the same reason and it’s sad.What’s your say?

The reason I’m writing this to you is because I owe him a lot of guest post ever since I’m made a guest blogger here and entries in hongkiat.com have been pre-scheduled until this sunday. I must exclaim again that these are only from my personal point of view and I have no intention to influence nor defamation, Nuffnang might do well on your blog (I know it did quite well for some blogs). It’s nothing personal, just doing what’s best for my blog. Maybe I’ll start a personal lifestyle blog and will again become a Nuffnang publishers I know its long, but I’d really like to hear your opinion and your experience on earning with Nuffnang.

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Unfrigginbelievable

2007-10-31T23:30:00.000-07:00

This just happened and your client must be so pissed. Like all is good and they’re either waiting for their adverts to go live or waiting for your cheque to arrive, and then greeted by your announcement that you need to suck one friggin ringgit from every friggin cheque , just sound like you haven’t got the running system ready…anyway you do this sometime because you have no real understanding of the importance of overdelivering. You get pulled over because you are not keen on overdeliver. These Nuffnang guys, when they said eighty, they meant 70. You guys must like, dude, maybe you should try to deliver like 110%, so,uh like we are not delivering , okay? I mean it’s not like you sit in a van and delivers to him literally.

You don’t even have a license in driving this vehicle of something, they can’t hear your voice when you were recommending your products and they can’t see the friggin emotions on your face. Only way of winning is overdeliver, again and again. You’re like. Bitch, I created Nuffnang and I invented this friggin thing that works in Mudlaysia, okay? Have you seen it working here? Next thing you know you’re flat on the pavement, face down because lets just say you ignore Google.com but surely you heard of AuctionAds, AzoogleAds, NeverBlueAds, Text Link Ads, Chitika, Clicksor, Valueclick Media, Paypopup, and the list goes on mind you. Trying to make a blockbuster entirely based on something so unnecessary. And to all your Nuffnangers, enjoy the company of these adverts which appear on your blog like security guards, frigtards. Just remind them to send you each a Christmas pressie during Christmas time.

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Earth to Nuffnang

2007-10-31T06:26:00.000-07:00

Stupid 5 figure investment is the ugliest piece of crap I’ve ever seen. There, I said it. Look at the stupid portal on www.nuffnang.com. Empty through out top down on left and right. The designer really thinks he’s the shizzle, doesn’t he? Mr Smart Alec, in the advertising business, leaving empty spaces on his own front page unexploited. And you tell me these people knows all about advertising? Real intelligence. Pop quiz: Name one thing this guy has ever done correctly. Question Two: Name one thing they had invented that no one else had. Question Three: Name one good idea that has come out of the Nuffnang good enough for others to copycat. No they haven’t made history. For once they had made, they would be friggin worry about those “copycats” trying to emulate their entity or something.

Yeah, and it can kind of like, uh, how come there are so many competition one. So you mean only you had the real intelligence and others are artificial or something. Great, you’ve spent a few hundred k ringgits in papa-grant money to make a friggin Romba. Except yours lacks a special feature even your vacuum cleaner has in sucking. Nice. Now these whiz-kids have dreams up a half-baked entity that they hope to be running with money pouring into their accounts, telling all other kids on internet community they are providing the world with a COMMUNITY like giving them some Christmas pressies? Yeah right, frog-green pile of crap as I see it. Using a tree to hide your real motive. You’d fly as far as Mars to shove some dough up your consumer’s butt. The best part is they aren’t even going to get more money from you than Google.com because they can drop their advertisement all over the world and very cheaply and of course in the name of RELEVANCY upsized. Here you go, Nuffnang, it’s your very own cheapo plastic Nuffnang with no hard disk and no manual. Just a plastic and you figure how you gonna crank it up. You can move back to investment bank telling stories of your Nuffnang next time.

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The Genius Behind The "Genius"

2007-10-30T13:04:00.000-07:00

People often ask me why some people are called “geniuses”. Well, first of all, yes this has to be their idea. And it is simple. Why would anyone want to go to an investment bank and work for a few ringgits an hour? Be a pretentious a-holes for that mere figure? Answering questions from potential investors and call themselves “BANKER” and they dressing up like a job that paid them 100k a year? Oh of course you gotta pay them more, just a bit more, at least a few more ringgits per hour in commissions , maybe more. Yet these geniuses instead of begging others to put ads on their web, they are putting a few on their personal blogs instead.

If you noticed, several identical commercial ads are running simultaneously. These applications are fraudulent, laugh your asses off. You mean they are putting Nuffnang ads on their personal blog for free? I swear, just so they could get some moolay back and let Nuffnang’s customer’s ad hang out in their cool blogs. Poor clueless clients who might drift in all upset because their precious advertisements didn’t exposed to relevant markets. You just know that’s what I am bitching about, right? Surprise, sucker! You owned blogs and you make your own blog serving your own Nuffnang’s advertisement and making money from Nuffnang and from your own blog, you gotta be lucky not getting insulted by doing this smarty doddgy “genius” who says he rejected a $8K ringgit position.

If you couldn’t figure this out for yourself, then you has no understanding of consumer value here. I mean, what is wrong with you? Are you retarded? This after advertisers had paid you an amount to run ads in blogs and you put them unto your own? The more I abuse you, the more you are going to wake up. To think they are smart to earn in both ways. Amazing. Honestly. Referees are banned from betting at bookmakers and there is a lesson there for you.

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Clean Up Impossible

2007-10-30T05:41:00.000-07:00

Folks, a few issues to deal with.

1. I’m going to post a list of all things that contributes to why Nuffnang sucks greatly. Email me if you want something included in the list.

2. Does anyone give a damn about what I say about Nuffnang? At least a few did. As I said yesterday, their management skill is so thin. Whoever is against what I said is obviously very font of this “dream team” Nuffnang from the start, but Kenny will insist no since he wouldn’t put his bucks where someone of normal senses would come up with such a piece of crap. I don’t care about others say about Nuffnang but if they care about my opinion, then I had something worthy for you to contribute with such a little amount of time of your entire life that I think frankly, I’m a little friggin superstar or something. Someone must be moody reading this blog, Ming, the bitter gourd face, Timothy, the fat frigtard and there must be some others. Anyhow, its kinda gay, so whatever. I installed my own ammo in a kind of online group that can fire these idiots as and when I like.

3. No harm has been done. I’m feeling much better than before. Many thanks for your reply and challenge which proves you are as clueless as the one who started Nuffnang. Really.

4. You may have read that certain problems are a matter of inexperience. Like how the hell any company could pay out only 1 month later though the sales being made and service been rendered. How can rule change to existing customers regarding cheque depositing? You guys are lucky lawsuit isn’t coming your way. Put aside management. They don’t even know how to handle customers dude. And you may be wondering whether these are the result of inexperience or insensitive or something in between? Like there is any connection between them in the first place? If there any way to explain this strange coincidence that both of these can be part of the description of the problems that seems to of certain similarity in genes? Hmm. Hafta analyze more on that one. But meanwhile, remember, there is nothing to worry because you can change nothing at all. Just think Nemo, he swam the entire ocean and he is still a clown! Have you ever seen anything as cute as Timothy? And look how happy he is! Or you can think about Ming. Gleaming, bitter gourd face, stubborn, bad tempered. Watch their relationship turns sour! You would be so cool if you saw them. Say this word like a mantra to yourself: Nuffnang, nuffnang, nuffnang, Mmmmm.Ommmm. A simple fallacy of comparing Google.com to Nuffnang, you simply cannot, what is apparently Google.com does not become Nuffnang because you chant it long enough.

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About That Level

2007-10-29T08:21:00.000-07:00

Your leadership looked anything but inspiring. Management skills looked very thin, almost gaunt. Let me tell you something, you look had that gaunt look because you’ve been having too much Bakuteh at the rate of once a week on the weekend. Broadcasting your life at close range allow people to get so near to you that they could smell your breath and by the way they are like a few thousand kilo miles away from you.

Not fun when you’re sitting on a table like few thousand kilo miles away, people could still smell you, imagine your hongkong or in this case mudlaysia foot stinks the whole world. Anyway Nuffnang sucks and not because of you. Honestly. You would get pulled out of Nuffnang within next 2 years, if not sooner. Also, you should start a post in your blog “ Why Timothy look so gaunt”, so as to share with your loyal readers the real you. The friggin post might have a good effect on Nuffnang.

Hope you’re not getting affected to the point of calling your partner Ming aka the man who uses nuffnang as his blog title (don’t you frigging have a problem with that? He is using your company’s name to help promote his personal blog.) and shout Ming, Ming, have you read that blog? It pinpoints me so accurately as if he lives in me like that, how could he print it out on such a blog, its time I put a disclaimer right over my head.

So you sensed something wrong and sure enough, you observe his work and there’s this thing that shouldn’t be done this way and you try to put a magnifying glass on it and out of sudden, a warning sign erupted saying, like, don’t teach me too much or you do it yourself. Suddenly the whole place felt like leaking German gases out of someone’s butt.
Look look, don’t get mad, and just don’t do things this way ok? Frig you, boss I’m gonna go to a proper corporation where they are proper cultures and hierarchies and management style and proper leaders and managers and bosses. May problems bury you up to your neck on the beach at low tide Seriously. And all this is happening week-in week-out, like problems-not-enough- or something. So time has come where you feel you need a ‘doctor’ to come to your office with a few medications and most importantly a box of German Gas Destroyer. And you’re like, Yes. No Friggin. Way off mark. Doctor says why do you keep diapers in your office? You insist they are sanitary pad because they are ladies. And he is like, oh, well, you are a lot better than what they think of you. Really. Now you are not freaked out at all, because he just told you something you wanted to suit yourself in the first place and if you have just one single size of condom in the office, then even the smallest dick can use. So you called a meeting and explain that you are providing more than enough for everyone, and stop bitching about problems in this place because they are employed to solve problems anyway and they were wondering, whats going on, and then you wonder, what’s the big deal with the condom sizes? I wear that size all the time and it makes life a lot easier just to have one size, believe me. So if a little sperm juice squirts out of the rubber just coz it isn’t tight enough, you shouldn’t care because you told them you didn’t ask them to swim in a hole small enough that they could get ejected with sperm. They have noticed what you are made of.

So yeah. You still feel a little gaunt on this Monday and feel you could never get the to the top of your form. Like, fuck me.

You’ve never seen so much complaints about your decisions and the question is how do you become better? Why do I not know how to do this and that? Mostly people started careers with a small chair and I got a big one for my fat-ass, but I’m happy to do this and why do I need to do something stupid like the rest? You know what? I honestly believe I do not look like someone who needs to turn around and says to an idiot “Sorry Boss”. I live in a wonderful world where friggin people who I employed clean my car boots if I wanted them to. Hey, note to you, your business is fine, so does your blog. Everybody at Google are laughing at companies who try to follow the way they control the internet world but I hope you regain your sanity before you start work in an investment bank one day hopefully.

Okay, sorry folks. Timothy is in another cranky mood now, just think of something beautiful and shiny that has a sense of childlike wonder hiding behind the Nuffnang portal. Peace out.

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Riding Again

2007-10-28T08:05:00.000-07:00

You people have no idea honestly. You people feel Google.com’s success and that’s what trigger your action and I feel totally sorry for being misinterpret about what is going to happen to you after university. You should accept the offer when some banks are willing to rent your life for RM$8K a month. Though it only equates to slightly over a thousand pound, it is something real and you could shout ‘Right On’. Right friggin on. So at least you can be the guy who is lesser of an a-hole who only took his father’s money and try to make his life changed with it. In fact you need more and more money, so those people could survive on your cheezels and produce more ideas for you.

I tell you what; you guys have plenty of limitations. Like you feel it down inside half the friggin time. So you see your office running, bits of creativity sets in and you try to make everything perfect and whatever you dream up, you tried to bring it out in reality using your money unlimited, nah not enough, try it again, pump in more money. But top, it would get there, not before you sell this company at one point to some big guns who had the money to bring it to Google.com’s level. Like Nasi Lemak used to be sold in banana leafs until some rich people invest in food factories and produce the frozen version of it before it can go international. Or something.

But anyway now you’ve for a team and you think you project your vision to them and hope them to materialize it. Instead of solely leaving it as a working environment, you decide to form a team of society gathers which frequents trips and lunches. Must be a dream team you are calling. And each take turns to dream. I’m sure you won’t give up control but with such environment, you have to go along with it at times and soon over later, someone will take over and you beginning shouting a-hole at him.

The guy under you who has better idea how to run the business wanted to do a particular thing his way and you honestly cant imagine he’ll have anything interesting to get to the top of you and definitely say yes but whatever permission you gave him, gossips or something will spread like open source codes online and then suddenly you appears to be out of your mind. Plus the other dude who is sharper knows what happened between. Ya. Nuffnang office environment sucks ass so bad and huge amount of things can’t work. I’m not kidding. So now idiots get connected in this office and the sooner it collapse the better, as far everyone is concerned.

Hey, which dude came with the idea of selling advertising on websites that doesn’t belong to you in the first place? I like the idea, man, but isn’t there something kinda sick about letting someone else running advertisement on your blog? Think about that. Peace out.

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The Control Factor

2007-10-27T10:39:00.000-07:00

Owners of Nuffnang, your pain of running this business are felt by every entrepreneur. First, you will feel the pain of motivating a team of staff because it requires skills where you have to adopt the balance of keeping humans happy and work done. You pull out your gun and start firing them and you lose the respect and they become dead people, you give them the cozy little love and you see them behaving like what people who took things for granted.

Oh, Timothy is a nice boss, isn’t it? You’re just sitting there, in your chair, thinking, how to tell them to speed up their work. Speed is a relative term. The measure is different for everyone and trying to get them to not only read but produce your measure won’t makes you shiver but if you think you had the skills to motivate them then let me say at one point you would find the level of your skill has dropped. Brother, everyone had felt that pain. I’ve been there and millions would probably have been there. I’ve heard of stories of people got fired by the same company they founded. I hope it won’t be same case as you but you created this friggin thing call nuffnang and you haven’t a clue how to motivate staff because you have never work a single day in your life (I mean a corporation) haven’t a clue about bringing people forward in a corporate environment. The hype and all would push your energy from the start and you had probably closed a few deals and any sort of success is success now and you are enjoying all publicity no doubt. But you can start folding your tent if success has only a single meaning.

I know, you feel like some hunk, whose name is pasted on some kind of hall of fame now which you think is all quite good for the future. Don’t feel so. You’re not the first one to feel it. Many had done it; many achieved more than nuffnang and still fail. Infact the niche of nuffnang is so small, it ain’t gonna be climbing tall mountains. The people in America, in China, in Europe, they haven’t a clue about nuffnang and probably can’t even if they try to have interest. No really. It’s true.

I mean, sure, you still got a nice little office, somewhere in some tall buildings with windows staring across some of the best skyscrapers.

Keep cranking out your ideas and maybe more business would come in. Or maybe not. Control as they say is able to turn every nose of the people working under you or above you without being sent away. Now there are many types of control to learn as there are many types of people in corporation. Every corporation has its own unique culture and some you would like and some you won’t. But culture isn’t something you can share just like that.

One has to be in there, survive, share, work and then learn. Sure you would not believe it was the best environment but you absorb and you will happily implement the cultures when you finally run a corporation, not all but some of it. Meanwhile you find that your partner is making plans to kill a part of your idea, frig you up too with some politics. Now you realized you are working with retards and viability of the business becomes a question mark. Someone is making noise about something which added another touch of much need or not needed complexity and confusion becomes greater and greater as the environment becomes murky. Some think about dumping the whole thing and all these happens under the eye of your critics, ready to come with the tag “Destined to Lose”. Oh dude, don’t tell me it would be anything but perfect because then you would be defying history, right? Yeah, me too. I walked the path you are walking so instead of shouting Google.com’s success, try to steal just 1% of their market share and that would soften the pain greatly.

I know, the next thing you want to say in your blog is you don’t care about money. All you are keen is to sit in your office and chew gums and run the business, and you don’t care about profits. So hey, things would not be what you expect but don’t try to impress to the point of forsaking your humility and implementing hypocrisy. But look. The good thing out of this thing would be someone might offer you a job later on in your life and you could move back to the starting point where you suppose to start albeit with a mind lesser naïve and I’m sure even then you could chew your gum whatever flavor you like. Just need to buy.

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The Real Success Factor

2007-10-27T10:35:00.000-07:00

You may notice the leader’s passion in this venture about becoming a force in the internet community. They are driven by money and status.

You may not have noticed since the beginning of the story, that what is lacking is the real passion of the entity creation itself and being passionate about the existence of this creation is so important because it gives one the energy to stir the ship in very difficult circumstances.

That one got overlooked but trust me, people who been there done that, would noticed. And I know the owners of Nuffnang are not freaking out. Why? Because the reality of the barriers ahead had not hit and of course you would not let it affect you more than what it might.

The real motive of any business must be making money. But that cannot be the overriding factor to the point of saying it out loud and broadcasting it on your personal blog. Guess what effect it might as on your potential customers? It isn’t a simple business such as $2 for a delicious bowl of Mee Pok Tah.

A business is a complex whole which main objective is make money but the real passion in doing so centers on a string of the creation of providing and that is the system of businesses which can circles community. But guess what you dudes are using to drive the core of the business? If I were to fast forward this and see where this would gonna end up, then what I see in a few years time is something not very big. Not good enough to be something that huge that can trudge the earth’s surface and have noise the equal size of your ambition in the monetary measure of the business.

Reason for this is because you had set yourself such a high standard when endlessly comparing yourself to Google.com and the owners of these some of the best enterprises where they are successful but albeit the best from a very big pool of failures and more so probably started off by some of the genius in the world.

Right you look at Mr. Steve Job, while admiring all his success about Apple and how it compete with Microsoft in search of the point where the next technology dough is heading, but the real right amid all these glamour are quietly happening.

It is like while i am operating the clutch and the gears of my car, i haven’t a clue what is happening inside.(for those who feel the need to get the better side of me and tells me he knows and why i don't, try make a living out of it then)

And though i know how to operate and enjoy the system which allows me to drive, there is something exist which i couldn’t see and the magic of setting up the system is not something I can create just because I can and love driving a car. You wait and see. There will be battles and your battle is going to be played not on a ground where you have time to learn but immediately in something as sexy as bonking a running horse. Just raw battles. And perhaps battles that had nothing to do with technology or your imagination of your expectations. Yeah. Armageddon is what I see. I am predicting skid marks and lots of it. Looking at a fine example like Google.com does not make your business follow suit.

Thinking of Google.com’s success would not be success just because one has thought enough of it. Sure, they inspire us with the grip and the influence it had around thee globe, but if only their success can be easily understood as the success of the Goreng Pisang stall in your local coffeeshop.

What happens is as the business prospers, investors inherit ownerships and trust me, when you attract big investors and allow them a foot in it, the end result is these guys who have the moolah once again raised their profile by arbitraging the potential.

The bigger the money, the bigger the power. The ultimate direction of the business is with those who has the next million buck buying into power, not less. Why am I saying so? Because the focus of your ambition are only as big as your ability to invest.

Anyhow, you are already in the game, so I am here to criticize you from now on, everyday on this blog and remind you the rule of the game itself. There are lessons to be learnt and I will use the story of nuffnang to faciliate this education to aspiring entrepreneurs.

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Calling Mr Larry Lim - Nuffnang

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Reply To Larry Lim - Nuffnang

The Little Kid Larry Lim - Nuffnang

Fourteenth Quintessential Question

Epitaph Of The Old Nuffnang

Thirteenth Quintessential Assertion

Twelfth Quintessential Question

Eleventh Quintessential Question

Letter to Nuffnang Advertisers

Reply To Sandy

Cash Out Fees Is No Go

Tenth Quintessential Question

The Development

(The Launch - February 2007)

Now The Shit Has Hit The Fan, They Know They Need Help, They Try To Form Allies.

THEY SUCEEDED BECAUSE THEY USE THIS TO MISLEAD YOU

Ninth Quintessential Question

The Money In The Nuffnang Account

Eighth Quintessential Question

The Cheque Out

Seven Quintessential Question

Sixth Quintessential Question

Fifth Quintessential Question

Fourth Quintessential Question

Third Quintessential Question

Second Quintessential Question

First Quintessential Question

Good Or Bad?

Celebrity Bloggers

Reply To Kimberlycun

The Big Secret

Swelling Up

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Wacky Nuffnangees

Disclaimer

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End of Nuffnang

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Inexperienced Revisited

It's Knocking Now

Their Ideas Don't Click

Entrepreneur's Reply To Ming

Enuffnang from me

Nuffnang Bugs

Nuffnang prediction that came true

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Oh Nuffnang, Why Are Thou Found To Be Wanting?

Nuffnang sucks?

Why Drop Nuffnang

Unfrigginbelievable

Earth to Nuffnang

The Genius Behind The "Genius"

Clean Up Impossible

About That Level

Riding Again

The Control Factor

The Real Success Factor