Thursday, November 15, 2007

Reply To Larry Lim - Nuffnang

1) Harry suggested that the $1 admin fee be absorbed by NN since it grows linearly with their revenues. But when asked why he did not mention the lowering of the minimum withdrawal limit and whether that would cause a “non-linear” bump, he avoided the argument.


Sir, when in the morning did I suggest the $1 is admin fee and should be absorb by Nuffnang? Those who read the morning’s exchange would know I meant the $1 is part of overhead. Never did I mention $1 is an admin fee.


2) He continued accusing me of being biased when I pointed out both the pros and cons, whereas, he only posted or linked to all the bad press. This prompted Rachel to question why he was so bent on a smear campaign about Nuffnang, of which he didn’t answer …naturally.




For those who read my reply in the morning, would know I haven’t use the word biased to anybody in the morning, now we know Mr Larry Lim has a perception problem.


3) When told that he should be open-minded and meet Ming directly if he has doubts, he chose to remain anonymous instead and to continue blogging based on assumptions - something I was accused of in the first place. This is like a casino where the banker decides the rules huh?

When told he should assume the situation based on the mood of the community, he got very frustrated and suddenly threatened to delete all my comments and refuse my comments to be posted.


Who is this mystery person anyway? Why does he spend so much effort in victimizing others? Why does he chooses to censor the good press and only put up negative ones? Why is he hiding in anonymity? What else is he hiding?

Sir, I do not victimize. My job is to disclose negative ones like yours is to disclose positive. We have different role. Lets respect each other’s role. Let the points be made avail and let the reasoning prevail.

Judging from your reply to several other bloggers such as Paddy Tan and Cobalt, we can tell your mind ain’t condense enough to carry it through.

Have a nice day Larry, and to say I delete my own posting on your blog where we know postings can only be deleted by you is at best a idiocy.

*Larry went on to delete all my comments, create an entry(disable comment on this entry) and accuse me of deleting my own postings from his personal blog. How smart is this man? Ladies and gentleman, your judgement.

Larry : If you are not able to engage replies, don't bother starting a thread. It just makes you look bad.


8 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hi Harry,

I just wanted to confirm. What is the purpose to start this blog? Is it to point out the flaws so that Nuffnang will change, or so that Nuffnang will fail?

If its the former, you got my support.

Calvin Mad said...

Dear Sir, all points spoken in this my blog are moot. It is not definite and definitely not ingrain. However, all my question thus far are specific and definitely palpable.

Choose any point of contention; i will definitely give you my humble point of view. I will humbly, without regret or exasperation, put out my analysis to the community and in the process make the point clearer to readers.

Anonymous said...

ignorantsoup: did you get what he said? That's why I mentioned that he's trying that old "if you can't convince them, then confuse them" tactic.

Calvin Mad said...

Your assumption is amazing. Your speculation is laziness at its best. Guess what you will. I answer only to my conscience. I have no opinion about how you describe my character or otherwise, my interlocution is based on reason and reason alone that is why I respect you too. I do not believe in any character commentaries shot here, however I would not stop others from doing it, except by the factor of Law. I may disapprove of those things said in your blog, that do not mean I can or believe I am the power to stop it, if by having interlocution with you needing you to describe my character then you truly have to look into the mirror. I forgive you, for all uncalled speculations thus far, though I am hurt but I know I must take it.

Have a good day, Sir.

Anonymous said...

Hi Larry..

Yes I do get your point. Lol..Because I have no idea what Harry said in response to my question. I thought my question was quite direct, just a yes or no question about the purpose.

I guess if Harry wants to convince people he has to show his genuine concern to Nuffnang.

Calvin Mad said...

Sir, i believe the essence of this blog must be to read the context, then note the questions.

Point of contention is up to you Sir.

soup said...

Well, I understand the part about reading the context and noting the questions. However, the difference between many other blogs out there which criticize nuffnang are in a very different capacity than yours.

It seems, to an outsider, that this blog is a little too harsh, and seems to be blowing things off to a huge proportion.

Plus this fight with Larry is getting nowhere. If the whole point is to talk about Why Nuffnang will fail if it doesnt change, then leave larry alone? There is no point in fighting him anyway. Take a step back and people will respect you for being a gentlemen. :)

I do hope your purpose is to improve Nuffnang.Well, I hope.

Calvin Mad said...

Differences can degenerate into self styled depression, or it can raise you to another level of interlocution. Each determines his own consequence. There may be positiveor negative or agenda filled discussions, each the master of his own call sign. But are we not at the same time trying to preach the truth in the eyes of our own: mindful to the essence of what are being discussed are associated with the fact we see?

To some, opinions that slam Nuffnang is myopic? Put it this way, i do not have the power to stop people like Larry Lim if he decides to be the PR person for Nuffnang and sing praises in his blog. But you can choose to ignore or engage him in his blog or if he bans you from preaching the truth you see, then i have only one option that is preach on my own blog.

And in creating this blog, i am ready for flame of free speech. I have already said, everyone has different roles and lets respect each other's role and of course, since you ask that question, i cannot expect you to understand this.

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To accuse this site of being the cause of Nuffnang's corporate behaviour is like the proverbial shooting of the messenger (of bad news)- Harry

No amount of media coverage or publicity can cover up for the lack of deliverance, in my blog at least. If any more friends (especially those with unique visits lesser than mine) ask me about Nuffnang, two words - FORGET IT! - Endoh

Maybe the person concern should reflect more on itself- Claudia

I got an ad this week! Can I boost earnings by asking more friends/visitors to visit my blog? According to Nuffnangs faq, What you earn depends on the number of Average Unique visitors you received in the week before your ad campaign is served. So by the time you know you got an ad coming, its too late to boost the stats. So play hard on your blog every week, not only on the week ads are served. That should keep you on your toes! - Anonymous

If a blog has lower traffic, we cannot ask the advertiser to pay fortunes for it. They pay based on how much traffic a blog gets.- Boss Stewie

... my latest Nuffnang Nike ad only garnered me.....$1.70 PUI!!!! Not even enough for Laurens daily allowance.- Honeymeow

An envelope also doesnt cost 20 cents, where do you buy your envelopes? If you want to charge $1.00, dont tell people its because of this and that, just charge it against their earnings. No one, except you, know how much they are making anyway. So why make the charge visible and risk the ire of the community? Consider that so many of the bloggers carrying your banner are giving you FREE advertising and at the same time giving you the means in which to make a living (without them you have nothing). - Entrepreneur | October 7th, 2007 at 8:28 pm

Labour includes time taken to print out the letter, verify the amount, pack it, and send it off. Labour is more or less subsidised and free in this instance. - Boss Ming

Whilst my peers are making money in comfy jobs in banks or consultancy firms, I have to rely on my family to support my mobile phone bill. Taking an allowance at the age of 24 is not exactly my cup of tea. - Boss Ming

In addition to this there is the postage fee, which by 1st local is 25 cents each (for a stamp). The envelope costs 20 cents each. This brings it up to 95 cents, which means 5 cents for the paper, ink and labour. - Boss Ming

Ive been hosting a Nuffnang banner on my blogs for almost 6 month. Until now I only earn RM1.40 from Firefly Skyscraper 2 which being displayed on my blogs from 01 Jul 2007 - 07 Jul 2007. I really don’t know why Nuffnang can’t gives me the good earning eventhough my blogs traffic is good enough - Anonymous

I also had quite a shock discovery in the past. I ran Nuffnang & Advertlets around the same time, interchanging their banner positions for experiment. 1 month later, while advertlets was earning RM100 (i did not do review for them), Nuffnang gave me only 20 cents! What a mystery. It still has not solved until today. Ppl say I didn’t earn much from nuffnang because of the low traffic but I doubt so. - Zul

With so many thousands(up to 10,000) of blogs *as claimed*, only a hundred or less blogs are selected to advertise. Where do the rest fit in? Nowhere. And so for 80-100% of the time, the remaining thousands run free advertisements for Nuffnang that screams at the eye 'I Serve Nuffnang Ads'. The waiting time is ridiculous and eventually if any, there is not enough Ads to get a Pay Cheque Out because of the minimum sum of $50 to withdraw plus the deduction of $1 for Administrative fee. - Molemole

Have you ever attended any Blog Parties organised by Nuffnang and got to meet other bloggers? Then again... most events (if any) are reserved for people 'closer' to Nuffnang's Co-owner aka Ming. You can almost guess who they are from the Feature Bloggers in the Web. They almost always appear at all Events and huddle together in one group that is almost impossible to penetrate or if you do, meet the hostile glare that says - we're in the middle of our own conversation and you're not welcomed, and you are made to look awkwardly out of place.- MoleMole

I have been using Nuffnang as part of my online monetization tools on one my high traffic blogs for quiet some time now and I am not at all happy with it! :-( I can’t believe that I only earned a pathetic Malaysian 0.30 cents from it. It is utterly ridiculous! I even made more money from Advertlets! I made the decision to totally remove my Nuffnang ads from my high traffic blog a few days back. -Homebis

Congrats on hitting 4k members. Having more members does push your operational cost up. But at the same time, the profits should be increasing at the same rate-if not higher. So if Nuffnang is able to increase their profits the same rate as their membership, then there shouldn't be any problems already. Right? But if Nuffnang is unable to increase their profits at the same rate as their membership, then I think even the $1 transaction fee isnt going to help the company in the long run. Is having more members pulling the company down? - Anonymous

Ming, if you have not get paid from advertisers, then will you return back us $1 when you finally get paid? - Sharon

Boasting about how much advertising they have to bloggers isnt exactly the right mentality to have. No matter how much advertisers you have, are of no meaning to blogger if they arent getting the adverts. Maybe applicable to high end blogs but please be sensitive to lower end. - Bupa

Please stay humble and not telling bloggers you have so much advertisers, if you really really have so much advertisers, then give us some advertisement!! - Cheeze

Ming - We have decided not to comment on the $1 issue, primarily because we feel it will divide the blogosphere and fan the flames of controversy.

Coward -Then why are you commenting here since you said your company decided not to comment on this issue? I see you commenting at several other blogs too. It seems to me that you are only commenting on your supporters blog and not your critics. Weird move I must say.

Timothy - Our clients welcomed us through the door and today we run campaigns for Maxis, DiGi, Honda, Nokia, Nestle, Uniliver, HUGO, Air Asia... you name it.

Coward -Tim, please stay humble, dont let these few adverts get into your head. You havent achieve nothing with these advertisers though i must say they are big companies. You should look at how those tail end bloggers are not benefitting from you doesnt matter you can attract the biggest company in the world

What is Nuffnangs stand? Are low traffic bloggers not worthy of any ads? If that is the case, why the 20 unique visitors limit? Why not raise it to 1000 unique visitors? The reason why this whole issue blow up to this scale is because nobody from Nuffnang came out to address the concern raised by the small time bloggers. Are small time bloggers not worthy a respond from Nuffnang? Is Nuffnang only for celebrity bloggers? Wait… I might not get a respond for this question too. After all, my daily traffic is too low.-Decay

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