Wednesday, November 14, 2007

Thirteenth Quintessential Assertion

I will dedicate several entries to discussing certain actions by the owner of Nuffnang.

One very important existential question: Why do we see advertisements of Nuffnang hanging on the owner’s personal blog? Why are they allowing themselves to take advantage of the entity created for the community? Why are they competing with bloggers for advertisements? Is Nuffnang a bona fide existence? These questions are very substantial that need to be thought out thoroughly.

All the benefits of Nuffnang are also applicable to the owners and employee of Nuffnang? Are there any conflict of interest? Will they create something for themselves to take advantage of it?

This is not a Nuffnang’s problem; eventhough they created Nuffnang. Are the owners and employee of Nuffnang not also taking advantage of the already insufficient adverts meant for bloggers? This is a fact! They created this entity for community and then they go home and take advantage of this thing they created in order to profit from the same thing they created. For most of the bloggers, they are already not seeing advertisements on their blog. The fact that the owners themselves are augmenting their income by putting the advertisements on their own blog instead of giving it to you. Are there any moral high ground? Should there be a prohibition? Being in control of the business and skimming money off it the way it was for used by the community, can they not violate any rules they had written for bloggers, literally?

To put it simply, they had become your direct competitor! Simply put, for those whose blogs are in need of that little more traffic to receive advertisements, you are not getting any not because you do not have enough traffic but because the owner’s blog is in front of yours! To put it to ground level, they had designed the game and they are playing it themselves!

We want the system to be transparent, like any commercial system in the world! Like the way it did for sports betting! Consumer wants to know the system are not exploited and taken advantage of unfairly by the company(people who write the rules)! They want the game play fairly not having the people who write the rules playing it too!

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More proofs courtesy of a certain anonymous reader.

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If Nuffnang is so dull, which I do not think so, let me put it simpler, blogger want advertisements. They want the advertisements that your blog is generating money for you! There is no ground for you to play the game yourself! The mother of all earnings is advertisements! The fact you are earning from it means you are preventing bloggers from earning from something you created for them!

We do not want you the owners to be involved with the game! We want the game to be fairly played by people outside of Nuffnang! With advertisements allocated to nobody related to Nuffnang except the community! Our blog may not have enough traffic to serve but is inconsequential to this, because we want the game to be play fairly! We do not want you trying to eat the cake you baked for community; we want it to be distributed according to the rules you written and have play no part in the game!

You the owner of Nuffnang are not like anybody in community! If you can take part in your own invention and make money out of it, then is it not the same as playing goalkeeping in a football match and betting your own team to lose? Which means that you could influence certain things to your advantage and your earnings would be seen as dubious in any circumstances.  

Another vast mistake by Nuffnang, while bloggers are being sold the system, they the owners participate themselves in it against the ground of transparency and be seen benefiting at the expenses of the community!

The thirteenth quintessential assertion:
From the invention that they created, they are benefiting from it unfairly. We do not want them able to write rules to favor themselves! We want the rules to be written for community and not applicable to themselves!

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8 comments:

Anonymous said...

Maybe you can tell us where did you get the above earning report to give your entry more credit.

I don't think Nuffnang would release such reports to the public. So how did you get hold of it?

Calvin Mad said...

Sorry Sir, here is the source

http://www.bloglah.org/Amanz_Network/2007/10/

Someone had bring it to the public's attention in my shoutbox.

Calvin Mad said...

The essay do not require the authenticity of the document to support its claim. Simply visit the owners blog to look at the amount of advertisements they have pasted all over their blog.

Argumentum ad ignorantiam
The argument from ignorance, also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam ("appeal to ignorance" [1]) or argument by lack of imagination, is a logical fallacy in which it is claimed that a premise is true only because it has not been proven false or that a premise is false only because it has not been proven true.

The argument from personal incredulity, also known as argument from personal belief or argument from personal conviction, refers to an assertion that because one personally finds a premise unlikely or unbelievable, the premise can be assumed not to be true, or alternately that another preferred but unproven premise is true instead.

Both arguments commonly share this structure: a person regards the lack of evidence for one view as constituting evidence or proof that another view is true. The types of fallacies discussed in this article should not be confused with the reductio ad absurdum method of argument, in which a valid logical contradiction of the form "A and not A" is used to disprove a premise.

Anonymous said...

They are liable to some influence. Susceptible to dubious internal handling. A time bomb.

Anonymous said...

It is like letting your limo driver get just a little drunk or allowing your daughter to get just a little pregnant. It's a horrible freakin' idea. Boycott them!

Anonymous said...

saw the link, you should publish the rest the images osso not just tim also his fren i think getting unfair high rate

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Anonymous said...

Isn't firdaus one of their programmer? How can the programmer themself take part in the advertisement? Are they not in the position to influence anything in the background to their advantage? Nuffnang, i hope you have a good answer to this.

Anonymous said...

Yes who are there to audit their own account? They can cheat!

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To accuse this site of being the cause of Nuffnang's corporate behaviour is like the proverbial shooting of the messenger (of bad news)- Harry

No amount of media coverage or publicity can cover up for the lack of deliverance, in my blog at least. If any more friends (especially those with unique visits lesser than mine) ask me about Nuffnang, two words - FORGET IT! - Endoh

Maybe the person concern should reflect more on itself- Claudia

I got an ad this week! Can I boost earnings by asking more friends/visitors to visit my blog? According to Nuffnangs faq, What you earn depends on the number of Average Unique visitors you received in the week before your ad campaign is served. So by the time you know you got an ad coming, its too late to boost the stats. So play hard on your blog every week, not only on the week ads are served. That should keep you on your toes! - Anonymous

If a blog has lower traffic, we cannot ask the advertiser to pay fortunes for it. They pay based on how much traffic a blog gets.- Boss Stewie

... my latest Nuffnang Nike ad only garnered me.....$1.70 PUI!!!! Not even enough for Laurens daily allowance.- Honeymeow

An envelope also doesnt cost 20 cents, where do you buy your envelopes? If you want to charge $1.00, dont tell people its because of this and that, just charge it against their earnings. No one, except you, know how much they are making anyway. So why make the charge visible and risk the ire of the community? Consider that so many of the bloggers carrying your banner are giving you FREE advertising and at the same time giving you the means in which to make a living (without them you have nothing). - Entrepreneur | October 7th, 2007 at 8:28 pm

Labour includes time taken to print out the letter, verify the amount, pack it, and send it off. Labour is more or less subsidised and free in this instance. - Boss Ming

Whilst my peers are making money in comfy jobs in banks or consultancy firms, I have to rely on my family to support my mobile phone bill. Taking an allowance at the age of 24 is not exactly my cup of tea. - Boss Ming

In addition to this there is the postage fee, which by 1st local is 25 cents each (for a stamp). The envelope costs 20 cents each. This brings it up to 95 cents, which means 5 cents for the paper, ink and labour. - Boss Ming

Ive been hosting a Nuffnang banner on my blogs for almost 6 month. Until now I only earn RM1.40 from Firefly Skyscraper 2 which being displayed on my blogs from 01 Jul 2007 - 07 Jul 2007. I really don’t know why Nuffnang can’t gives me the good earning eventhough my blogs traffic is good enough - Anonymous

I also had quite a shock discovery in the past. I ran Nuffnang & Advertlets around the same time, interchanging their banner positions for experiment. 1 month later, while advertlets was earning RM100 (i did not do review for them), Nuffnang gave me only 20 cents! What a mystery. It still has not solved until today. Ppl say I didn’t earn much from nuffnang because of the low traffic but I doubt so. - Zul

With so many thousands(up to 10,000) of blogs *as claimed*, only a hundred or less blogs are selected to advertise. Where do the rest fit in? Nowhere. And so for 80-100% of the time, the remaining thousands run free advertisements for Nuffnang that screams at the eye 'I Serve Nuffnang Ads'. The waiting time is ridiculous and eventually if any, there is not enough Ads to get a Pay Cheque Out because of the minimum sum of $50 to withdraw plus the deduction of $1 for Administrative fee. - Molemole

Have you ever attended any Blog Parties organised by Nuffnang and got to meet other bloggers? Then again... most events (if any) are reserved for people 'closer' to Nuffnang's Co-owner aka Ming. You can almost guess who they are from the Feature Bloggers in the Web. They almost always appear at all Events and huddle together in one group that is almost impossible to penetrate or if you do, meet the hostile glare that says - we're in the middle of our own conversation and you're not welcomed, and you are made to look awkwardly out of place.- MoleMole

I have been using Nuffnang as part of my online monetization tools on one my high traffic blogs for quiet some time now and I am not at all happy with it! :-( I can’t believe that I only earned a pathetic Malaysian 0.30 cents from it. It is utterly ridiculous! I even made more money from Advertlets! I made the decision to totally remove my Nuffnang ads from my high traffic blog a few days back. -Homebis

Congrats on hitting 4k members. Having more members does push your operational cost up. But at the same time, the profits should be increasing at the same rate-if not higher. So if Nuffnang is able to increase their profits the same rate as their membership, then there shouldn't be any problems already. Right? But if Nuffnang is unable to increase their profits at the same rate as their membership, then I think even the $1 transaction fee isnt going to help the company in the long run. Is having more members pulling the company down? - Anonymous

Ming, if you have not get paid from advertisers, then will you return back us $1 when you finally get paid? - Sharon

Boasting about how much advertising they have to bloggers isnt exactly the right mentality to have. No matter how much advertisers you have, are of no meaning to blogger if they arent getting the adverts. Maybe applicable to high end blogs but please be sensitive to lower end. - Bupa

Please stay humble and not telling bloggers you have so much advertisers, if you really really have so much advertisers, then give us some advertisement!! - Cheeze

Ming - We have decided not to comment on the $1 issue, primarily because we feel it will divide the blogosphere and fan the flames of controversy.

Coward -Then why are you commenting here since you said your company decided not to comment on this issue? I see you commenting at several other blogs too. It seems to me that you are only commenting on your supporters blog and not your critics. Weird move I must say.

Timothy - Our clients welcomed us through the door and today we run campaigns for Maxis, DiGi, Honda, Nokia, Nestle, Uniliver, HUGO, Air Asia... you name it.

Coward -Tim, please stay humble, dont let these few adverts get into your head. You havent achieve nothing with these advertisers though i must say they are big companies. You should look at how those tail end bloggers are not benefitting from you doesnt matter you can attract the biggest company in the world

What is Nuffnangs stand? Are low traffic bloggers not worthy of any ads? If that is the case, why the 20 unique visitors limit? Why not raise it to 1000 unique visitors? The reason why this whole issue blow up to this scale is because nobody from Nuffnang came out to address the concern raised by the small time bloggers. Are small time bloggers not worthy a respond from Nuffnang? Is Nuffnang only for celebrity bloggers? Wait… I might not get a respond for this question too. After all, my daily traffic is too low.-Decay

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