Friday, November 9, 2007

The Money In The Nuffnang Account

The money in the Nuffnang account - Whose is it?

Article Lifted From November 9, 2007 Ignorantsoup Opinion, Randomlicious Permalinks

Just a few days ago, I commented in a blog to say that I am disappointed that Nuffnang does not have this policy to give the money to someone who have decided to leave Nuffnang. The boss at Nuffnang says that he is working on a policy that allows one to use the “money” as “points” to win something. I do not think that policy is great. Someone commented that if they allow people to take 25 dollars out (instead of the usual 50), there will be no end to such requests.

My point is: Does arguing that there will be no end to such request justify not doing it? Just because people are going to withdraw money, does that mean you should not allow them to cash out when they cease to be members? There will be no end to customers complaints. Does that mean you as a company have to stop all customer feedback collection? This argument is flawed.

I have something to ask. The money that is there in your account with Nuffnang, to whom does it belong to? We can liken this as to a owner-agent-tenant situation. I have a house with an extra room (or space) and I let XXX company lease out my room to YYY tenant. YYY tenant pays XXX agent, who then pass me the money, after they take a slice of commission. Does this sound logical? In this case, we bloggers lease out space for advertisement. It may not worth plenty, but its worth something. We rent out our space for Nuffnang who links advertisements to us bloggers. In this instance, doesn’t the money in the account belong to us?

Now this question must be solved and answered. Its the key to everything. If the money is rightfully ours, why should we not be able to withdraw it out and spend it, no matter how little the sum is? Is it that money accumulated to $50 is considered our money, whilst money not accumulated to that amount is not? That is a wrong method of thinking. No matter how much the amount, it is ours and ours to keep. Nuffnang has already taken their slice of the pie.

Now that we have agreed that this sum of money is rightfully the blogger’s, then why should it be so that Nuffnang is keeping it, just because it hasn’t reached $50? Well, there could be policies for this and this is what I recommend:

1) Allow bloggers to cash out once they terminate their agreement with Nuffnang and stop the advertisement. This provides a relief to bloggers who are skeptical about Nuffnang and encourages others to try out their service.

2) Have a penalty system. Currently, if you reach $50 and want to cash out, Nuffnang takes $1 for postage and administration costs. Never mind that we wonder why the $1 is not in the slice of the pie that Nuffnang has already taken. Nuffnang can impose a fee of $5 for adminstration costs. Surely, it does not take that much time to write out a cheque? This acts also as a reward for people to continue serving Nuffnang ads till they reach $50 before they terminate their agreement. This also allows people who have less than $10 in the account to think twice before asking for the money, since the end sum is probably very little.

The main purpose of championing for this to be implemented is for those that have reached about $30 in their account. These people can enjoy the $25 that they get. They can buy a new cd or a new book and even pay for 1 year of domain name costs.

Instead of hoping that bloggers would one day rejoin Nuffnang to get their money back, Nuffnang should come out with ways to make it seem sensible to join Nuffnang. For Advertlets, people will continue to serve the ads because they see the money coming in day by day. Never mind that it takes a long time, we have time and we are willing because we see results.

Now, I wonder if Advertlets allow us to cash out before we reach the minimum withdrawal sum. Can Advertlets clarify on this? It will be a great PR strategy to announce their policy.

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Maybe the person concern should reflect more on itself- Claudia

I got an ad this week! Can I boost earnings by asking more friends/visitors to visit my blog? According to Nuffnangs faq, What you earn depends on the number of Average Unique visitors you received in the week before your ad campaign is served. So by the time you know you got an ad coming, its too late to boost the stats. So play hard on your blog every week, not only on the week ads are served. That should keep you on your toes! - Anonymous

If a blog has lower traffic, we cannot ask the advertiser to pay fortunes for it. They pay based on how much traffic a blog gets.- Boss Stewie

... my latest Nuffnang Nike ad only garnered me.....$1.70 PUI!!!! Not even enough for Laurens daily allowance.- Honeymeow

An envelope also doesnt cost 20 cents, where do you buy your envelopes? If you want to charge $1.00, dont tell people its because of this and that, just charge it against their earnings. No one, except you, know how much they are making anyway. So why make the charge visible and risk the ire of the community? Consider that so many of the bloggers carrying your banner are giving you FREE advertising and at the same time giving you the means in which to make a living (without them you have nothing). - Entrepreneur | October 7th, 2007 at 8:28 pm

Labour includes time taken to print out the letter, verify the amount, pack it, and send it off. Labour is more or less subsidised and free in this instance. - Boss Ming

Whilst my peers are making money in comfy jobs in banks or consultancy firms, I have to rely on my family to support my mobile phone bill. Taking an allowance at the age of 24 is not exactly my cup of tea. - Boss Ming

In addition to this there is the postage fee, which by 1st local is 25 cents each (for a stamp). The envelope costs 20 cents each. This brings it up to 95 cents, which means 5 cents for the paper, ink and labour. - Boss Ming

Ive been hosting a Nuffnang banner on my blogs for almost 6 month. Until now I only earn RM1.40 from Firefly Skyscraper 2 which being displayed on my blogs from 01 Jul 2007 - 07 Jul 2007. I really don’t know why Nuffnang can’t gives me the good earning eventhough my blogs traffic is good enough - Anonymous

I also had quite a shock discovery in the past. I ran Nuffnang & Advertlets around the same time, interchanging their banner positions for experiment. 1 month later, while advertlets was earning RM100 (i did not do review for them), Nuffnang gave me only 20 cents! What a mystery. It still has not solved until today. Ppl say I didn’t earn much from nuffnang because of the low traffic but I doubt so. - Zul

With so many thousands(up to 10,000) of blogs *as claimed*, only a hundred or less blogs are selected to advertise. Where do the rest fit in? Nowhere. And so for 80-100% of the time, the remaining thousands run free advertisements for Nuffnang that screams at the eye 'I Serve Nuffnang Ads'. The waiting time is ridiculous and eventually if any, there is not enough Ads to get a Pay Cheque Out because of the minimum sum of $50 to withdraw plus the deduction of $1 for Administrative fee. - Molemole

Have you ever attended any Blog Parties organised by Nuffnang and got to meet other bloggers? Then again... most events (if any) are reserved for people 'closer' to Nuffnang's Co-owner aka Ming. You can almost guess who they are from the Feature Bloggers in the Web. They almost always appear at all Events and huddle together in one group that is almost impossible to penetrate or if you do, meet the hostile glare that says - we're in the middle of our own conversation and you're not welcomed, and you are made to look awkwardly out of place.- MoleMole

I have been using Nuffnang as part of my online monetization tools on one my high traffic blogs for quiet some time now and I am not at all happy with it! :-( I can’t believe that I only earned a pathetic Malaysian 0.30 cents from it. It is utterly ridiculous! I even made more money from Advertlets! I made the decision to totally remove my Nuffnang ads from my high traffic blog a few days back. -Homebis

Congrats on hitting 4k members. Having more members does push your operational cost up. But at the same time, the profits should be increasing at the same rate-if not higher. So if Nuffnang is able to increase their profits the same rate as their membership, then there shouldn't be any problems already. Right? But if Nuffnang is unable to increase their profits at the same rate as their membership, then I think even the $1 transaction fee isnt going to help the company in the long run. Is having more members pulling the company down? - Anonymous

Ming, if you have not get paid from advertisers, then will you return back us $1 when you finally get paid? - Sharon

Boasting about how much advertising they have to bloggers isnt exactly the right mentality to have. No matter how much advertisers you have, are of no meaning to blogger if they arent getting the adverts. Maybe applicable to high end blogs but please be sensitive to lower end. - Bupa

Please stay humble and not telling bloggers you have so much advertisers, if you really really have so much advertisers, then give us some advertisement!! - Cheeze

Ming - We have decided not to comment on the $1 issue, primarily because we feel it will divide the blogosphere and fan the flames of controversy.

Coward -Then why are you commenting here since you said your company decided not to comment on this issue? I see you commenting at several other blogs too. It seems to me that you are only commenting on your supporters blog and not your critics. Weird move I must say.

Timothy - Our clients welcomed us through the door and today we run campaigns for Maxis, DiGi, Honda, Nokia, Nestle, Uniliver, HUGO, Air Asia... you name it.

Coward -Tim, please stay humble, dont let these few adverts get into your head. You havent achieve nothing with these advertisers though i must say they are big companies. You should look at how those tail end bloggers are not benefitting from you doesnt matter you can attract the biggest company in the world

What is Nuffnangs stand? Are low traffic bloggers not worthy of any ads? If that is the case, why the 20 unique visitors limit? Why not raise it to 1000 unique visitors? The reason why this whole issue blow up to this scale is because nobody from Nuffnang came out to address the concern raised by the small time bloggers. Are small time bloggers not worthy a respond from Nuffnang? Is Nuffnang only for celebrity bloggers? Wait… I might not get a respond for this question too. After all, my daily traffic is too low.-Decay

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